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New AP Gameplay Footage

Eldritch

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/\ So you're just a rich ten-foot tall drug lord rapist bon vivant Sinologist physicist chomping at the bit, ready to take on the world. I know I am.

Zomg how come you have such a fabulous way with the language hmm? Where did you learn the fancy way of talking? The Ivy league? I wanna talk fancy like you. You're so fancy. I wanna talk about the wonders of biodiversity with you and Steve Sailer walking on the beach all night long, enjoying our fancy mojitos.
 

ghostdog

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Moar Hype for Alpha protocol !

There is a New Trailer and Interview of Alpha Protocol that floats around the net.


Key points:

- You wake up in a secret hospital facility disoriented bruised and battered and level 1.
- A guy resembling Morgan Freeman on a giant screen tells you that the way you talk to people actually affects the way they'll respond. Good to know.
- Then Alpha protocol is activated. What this means you ask? It means they give you a shitload of weapons ammo and explosives and set you loose to kick ass. Of course you don't really need all this, since your punches can kill.
- Then all you have to do is go and slaughter whole bases of Arab terrorists and Asian communists , Commando style. Fuck yeah!


It's you choice man... You wanna be a nice guy or a not-so-nice guy ?


The trailer is shitty and the fat Obsidian guy is a Todd wannabe, but I still have some hopes for the game.
Avellone has a strange accent.
 

MetalCraze

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Feargus actually says about Thorton something like:
"we wanted to make a person that any 15 yr old thinks they could be like in 10 years"

At least Obsidian is fair that they are making the game for kids.
Though before that he says bullshit - "noone did this kind of game before"

Facial animations are even worse than those in NWN2 and voice-acting is incredibly piss-poor.

I also like "it will take more than guns" part of the trailer and the next thing you see is a boring generic shooring. But the most lulzy part is the "it will take more than technology" - and then they show the fucking shitty lockpicking and hacking minigames.

And they continue to copy ME hard. You can choose from 3 backgrounds that won't affect shit - deja vu?

Wow looks like an incredibly fun game
 

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Silellak said:
Obviously, there are some people who can't bring themselves to have fun with a game unless it's "great" - the issues just bug them too much.
On the other hand, there are many people who can't bring themselves to accept that they have fun with a game that isn't "great" so they have to rationalize why all issues are non-issues.
And when these two people talk about a game, hilarity ensues.
 

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Haven't seen Qore. Saw GTTV. Let's hit the big talking points:

Lockpicking:
Do we actually know how it works other than the videos? Probably, but I've missed that info. It looks like an Oblivion clone, yeah, and if it turns out that way I'll say that's a crap decision. Still hope that time actually passes while you do it (and it definitely looks much faster-paced than Oblivion's), but the fact that it comes up in the middle of your screen in such an artificial way hints that time will stop. Who knows, though - Thief's lockpicking did that and it was RT.

Graphics / Performance
I've never understood the whine about the graphical quality. Art design, now - it looked quite stale and boring in some of the older screenshots, and it still looks a bit too clean in those 'office' areas, but it's increasingly looking like the art design of various areas will make the game fare pretty well on that front. Faces are good but they're quite wooden, though. You could also see some very obvious slow-downs on the Qore video at the middle east sections when Thorton is running around the narrow streets. We'll see.

Hype
They keep coming up with some silly stuff every few weeks to keep the complaints going (first the bag-it-all, now the nonsensical 15 year old comparisons), and its bleh. If the game turns out good it'll be forgotten, if the game turns out shit it'll be just another thing to criticise.

Dialogue
I like the timed bar actually, fits the tone of the game. You're not really expecting particular passages to give you tingly feelings in this kind of game I think - you're really trying to get a situation going in a dynamic way and get off on the decisions you make to that situation, rather than the decisions you make in the words. Okay, so I explained that really shittily, but AM AT WORK GOT TO DO THIS QUICK. Quality of dialogue - Freeman Clone dialogue looks to be one of the first in the game and rife with the "Tutorial-Speak" that we all know and hate, but hard to judge the game's dialogue based on that. We haven't really seen any GOOD lines yet, though, just decent/mediocre...

Lollerz same as ME
Haven't played ME and won't play ME, thank God, so I don't get the vibe much. Got to say it looks more fun though, because to me, ME looked like a KOTOR clone that jsut got slightly more actiony but still wanted to pretend to be a REAL RPG and you ended up with slush. In this one they're actually concentrating on making the action good and adding a lot of things you won't see in many RPGs like KOTOR - stuff like CQC, proper cover - so I'm down with that.

Random Philosophical Shit About Whether A Game is Fun Or Not And What Is An RPG And Whether Confucius Had A Horse Named Paolo
Fuck.

Gameplay
Looks damn fun. I hope the stealth is more fleshed out than, say, Oblivion's see-notsee dichotomy. CQC looks good. Guns also look pretty good, though hard to tell yet. Hoping for more concrete examples of C&C before launch. Bag-em-all not really important or significant enough to love or hate, unless it's really grating.

Can Obsid Make It
IMO all of their past offerings were good enjoyable games with some excellent bits, and consistently riddled with flaws, so... that's enough to give them a chance. No point joining the legions of dirty prophets lining the streets here.

Skyway
Lol.
 

Longshanks

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Dionysus said:
Longshanks said:
It may have been. If so, I missed that bit of advertising.
Yeah, you must have. It was on the CD case and in any interview in which someone asked Spector about the type of game he was making. It was advertised as an action RPG. But that was probably back when you weren't an acronym Nazi, so you might have missed it.
Nah, more that I just don't care, then or now. It's the same with Bioshock. I couldn't tell you whether the game was marketed, labelled, reviewed etc as a shooter, RPG or Action/Adventure. I'd guess probably some of each. I have played the game and see it as a shooter. Again, the labelling or advertising of a game is of little consequence against how it actually plays.

Dionysus said:
Longshanks said:
Anyway, how it plays is the important thing, not how it's advertised. I have played Deus Ex - it's a shooter. I have not played or have very detailed info on AP, which is why I refer to it being advertised as an actionRPG, adding that we'll need to wait and see how strong the RPG aspect is.
I see. So, AP will be an action RPG because of "wait and see." Those certainly are two impressive RPing elements. Soon "wait and see" will replace "choices and consequences."
I think it likely AP's roleplaying will be stronger than Deus Ex, and strong enough for me to consider the game as an actionRPG, not that it means much. Given I have little info on it, I am going largely on hope, track record and vague dev statements. I don't feel the need to pretend certainty.

For some reason you seem to take offence at my labelling Deus Ex as an FPS, whereas I really don't care that you see it as an actionRPG. I've discussed my reasoning with you, and agreed to disagree. And somehow I'm the Nazi?

I only brought up the game's sub-genre in response to Skyway forgiving poor gunplay in Deus Ex, but criticising expected poor gunplay in AP. He forgives it in Deus Ex because there are sneaking and hacking paths. AP claims also to have these, as well as having a dialogue component. The shooter vs actionRPG comment was more of a dig at Skyway than anything.

Dionysus said:
You don't know shit about Deus Ex and you don't know shit about Alpha Protocol. You are just spouting off.
Fascinating.
 

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Re: 15 year olds.

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?s= ... t&p=925516
J.E. Sawyer said:
BTW, Parker and Feargus are sort of paraphrasing this Snow Crash quote from Neal Stephenson:

"Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest mother****er in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad."
 

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So... does anyone else get the feeling Bioware and Obsidian are the same company sometimes? The footage looks like Mass Effect on modern day Earth. Not making a judgement call on it yet, but the lead/follow design processes that start at Bioware and end up at Obsidian are strangely coincidental.

EDIT: This post was made before reading the thread. If someone else has the same observation, fuck you for beating me to it. :P
 

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Hümmelgümpf said:
Re: 15 year olds.

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?s= ... t&p=925516
J.E. Sawyer said:
BTW, Parker and Feargus are sort of paraphrasing this Snow Crash quote from Neal Stephenson:

"Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest mother****er in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad."

I guess not everyone here has read Snow Crash.

I highly recommend it.
 

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Data4 said:
So... does anyone else get the feeling Bioware and Obsidian are the same company sometimes? The footage looks like Mass Effect on modern day Earth. Not making a judgement call on it yet, but the lead/follow design processes that start at Bioware and end up at Obsidian are strangely coincidental.
Gadgets, stealth and alternate routes in particular are just shamelessly copypasted from Mass Effect. WTF, BioWare Junior?
 

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Hümmelgümpf said:
Re: 15 year olds.

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?s= ... t&p=925516
J.E. Sawyer said:
BTW, Parker and Feargus are sort of paraphrasing this Snow Crash quote from Neal Stephenson:

"Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest mother****er in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad."

Smart move. The kiddies will love it and hardcore RPG will be satisfied with paraphrasing of Stephenson. :)

And guys you forgot about Cryptonomicon!
 

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thread derailment!

Thrasher said:
Anthony Davis said:
I guess not everyone here has read Snow Crash.

I highly recommend it.

Agreed. I'd go further - Diamond Age and The Baroque Cycle are must reads, too.
i've quite literally devoured snow crash, diamond age, and cryptonomicon, but can't get into quicksilver at all.
every time i pick it up i suddenly feel like rather chopping my own hands off.
 

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Hümmelgümpf said:
Re: 15 year olds.

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?s= ... t&p=925516
J.E. Sawyer said:
BTW, Parker and Feargus are sort of paraphrasing this Snow Crash quote from Neal Stephenson:

"Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest mother****er in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad."

Yeah right. Now if Sawyer would just find excuses for all other retarded hype bullshit in that video (and not so lame excuses). Oh Fergie perfectly knew for whom he is selling the game with those words.

Hümmelgümpf said:
Data4 said:
So... does anyone else get the feeling Bioware and Obsidian are the same company sometimes? The footage looks like Mass Effect on modern day Earth. Not making a judgement call on it yet, but the lead/follow design processes that start at Bioware and end up at Obsidian are strangely coincidental.
Gadgets, stealth and alternate routes in particular are just shamelessly copypasted from Mass Effect. WTF, BioWare Junior?

Yeah gadgets - which let you play more terrible minigames. Bioware never went so low. At some points I think Obsidian should learn from its bigger brother (no seriously - does the game really have(need) lockpicking and hacking skills?). Well at least the game will have more sex than ME - yay!
As for alternate routes - why do you think they will be there? Every hype bit to this day has only type of "alternate routes" - oh you can shoot that guy from behind corner or in the open.
 

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Re: thread derailment!

SuicideBunny said:
Thrasher said:
Anthony Davis said:
I guess not everyone here has read Snow Crash.

I highly recommend it.

Agreed. I'd go further - Diamond Age and The Baroque Cycle are must reads, too.
i've quite literally devoured snow crash, diamond age, and cryptonomicon, but can't get into quicksilver at all.
every time i pick it up i suddenly feel like rather chopping my own hands off.

yeah, it's rather HUGE. It took a little getting into, but became my favorite of all of his stuff. Truly epic stuff (and very funny).

It's the only historic fiction I've ever read (more a sci-fi / fantasy buff).

Epicness includes history of modern science / philosophy / religion (locke and newton), security markets (apropos), pirating around the globe, and european royal politics (English change of monarchy plus court of Louis XIV).
 

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I looked into some of Stephenson's books several months back. From skimming through them, it appeared that he wrote in a very "detached" manner, i.e. not really immersing in the characters' heads, which is what I prefer (think Martin). Can anyone who's read him comment on this?
 

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Dicksmoker said:
I looked into some of Stephenson's books several months back. From skimming through them, it appeared that he wrote in a very "detached" manner, i.e. not really immersing in the characters' heads, which is what I prefer (think Martin). Can anyone who's read him comment on this?
It varies from book to book. He doesn't really have one consistent style of writing, his every book is something different from what he's written before. I'd say start with Diamond Age, best Stephenson's book IMO and most "conventional".
 

Thrasher

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If you like a lot of character self-introspection (pseudo-psychological stuff mostly bores me to death), then I'd suggest reading Dan Simmons' Hyperion series.
 

Forest Dweller

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Thrasher said:
If you like a lot of character self-introspection (pseudo-psychological stuff mostly bores me to death), then I'd suggest reading Dan Simmons' Hyperion series.
Read that. I liked it, with some reservations (mostly involving The Rise of Endymion). The fall of Hyperion was very good, I thought.
 

Thrasher

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Yep, excellant stuff, although the pages of self-introspection at times bored me. Still highly recommended for the other content.
 

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