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[Rean]

COONari, lol

 

[Cael]

Wasn't the fact that he was a tranny/homosexual that the Mary Cow in DAI was hounded out of the Qun?

Perhaps, but they also retconned the Qunari into routinely practicing transgenderism. Which is nonsense, given the earlier Qunari lore that clearly rules out the idea of "deciding" someone's gender.

"You are what you are, and you don't go around trying to be something you are not." is a basic tenet of the Qun. So, yes, right from the beginning, being a crossdresser (let alone a tranny) is completely against the Qun's ideology.

Ok I'll let you save face and pretend this was always your position.

Yes, it has. My stance was it isn't a retcon. Sten told you that that was the case right from DAO. DAI confirmed it when they introduced the Mary Cow whose background is that he was thrown out because he practiced such abomination.

It wasn't a retcon.

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

Yes, it has. My stance was it isn't a retcon. Sten told you that that was the case right from DAO. DAI confirmed it when they introduced the Mary Cow whose background is that he was thrown out because he practiced such abomination.

Can you stop? DAO clearly established that the idea of a man becoming a woman is absurd to the Qunari, and that their society is even more gender-segregated and "gender-binary" than human society. Then DAI introduces new Qunari lore that states "those born of one gender but having shown aptitude for the skills of another gender are raised as that other gender". Which is a direct contradiction.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Indeed, the Qunari in inquisition were reconned into an inept insert of bioware writers gay communist utopia. It's was so heavy handed and ridiculous.

 

[The Wall]

All Bioware male devs deserve to be pegged to death. Killing them is an act of mercy. All EA executives need to be force fed money, dollar bill after dollar bill. Until they turn green, their eyes a do$$ar sign, and die of poisoning

RPG DEATH SQUADS NOW

 

[Dodo1610]

Indeed, the Qunari in inquisition were reconned into an inept insert of bioware writers gay communist utopia. It's was so heavy handed and ridiculous.

BS The Qunari are always the villains: in Iron Bull's quest, Iron bull has to sacrifice his friends or else he gets exiled. And if he stays a Qunari he will betray you in the Trespasser DLC, where then Qunari attack the council and are again shown as the absolute enemies of all people on Thedas.
Why should Bioware present them like this when they think that the Qunari are good in any way? Bioware just thinks that misogyny and transphobia are so bad that even the villains aren't allowed to do these things.

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

Why should Bioware present them like this when they think that the Qunari are good in any way?

Because they're obsessed with collectivism and revolutionary movements.

Iron Bull's quest, Iron bull has to sacrifice his friends or else he gets exiled

This is just setting up the "Qunari aren't so bad, they just need to be reformed" narrative.

 

[Tyrr]

Why should Bioware present them like this when they think that the Qunari are good in any way? Bioware just thinks that misogyny and transphobia are so bad that even the villains aren't allowed to do these things.

For the woke, misogyny and transphobia are no problem when other cultures or religions do it.

In DA4 you will be called out for 'qunariphobia' for criticizing the Qunari.

 

[Dycedarg]

All Bioware male devs deserve to be pegged to death.

They would probably like that a little too much.

Can you stop? DAO clearly established that the idea of a man becoming a woman is absurd to the Qunari, and that their society is even more gender-segregated and "gender-binary" than human society. Then DAI introduces new Qunari lore that states "those born of one gender but having shown aptitude for the skills of another gender are raised as that other gender". Which is a direct contradiction.

And in DA2 the Qunari proved they were okay with sentencing one of their own to a life of torture and slavery for the crime of being born a mage. Such a society would never consider the idea of people being born with the wrong sex or gender. But I don't think anyone at Bioware cares about this at all. All they want is to paint their shallow Tolkienesque world with a layer of progressivism.

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

And in DA2 the Qunari proved they were okay with sentencing one of their own to a life of torture and slavery for the crime of being born a mage.

This was borrowed directly from the Wheel of Time's Seanchan civilization that detested mages and turned them into damane (a leashed dehumanized being, more of a domestic animal than a slave). Other aspects of the Qunari (like Ben-Hassrath and Tamassrans) seem to be based on Dune's Bene Gesserit and their breeding program. And of course, lots and lots of communism (no individuality, no families, no money, etc).

DA lore is extremely derivative.

Such a society would never consider the idea of people being born with the wrong sex or gender.

Exactly. Sten's quote from DAO mentioned above lays it out quite clearly - you are what you are, from birth until death, and choice of becoming something that you're not is an illusion.

If any Qunari career-specialist decided to assign a female to the military and also claim that this female is now a male, she would probably get executed by her superiors for spreading mental illness and being mentally ill herself. Prior to the wokinization of the lore, that is.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

no individuality

you are what you are, from birth until death, and choice of becoming something that you're not is an illusion.

If any Qunari career-specialist decided to assign a female to the military and also claim that this female is now a male

Gender identity in itself is a mark of individuality that the Qunari might not have. I don't particularly recall how they've treated the issue in Inquisition, but having women in the military or what have you is something that could've been justified in-lore given the proper approach to the writing (which nuWare is too incompetent to have, naturally). Sten's remark was after all in regards to professional aptitudes and nothing else.

 

[Dycedarg]

This was borrowed directly from the Wheel of Time's Seanchan civilization that detested mages and turned them into damane (a leashed dehumanized being, more of a domestic animal than a slave). Other aspects of the Qunari (like Ben-Hassrath and Tamassrans) seem to be based on Dune's Bene Gesserit and their breeding program. And of course, lots and lots of communism (no individuality, no families, no money, etc).

DA lore is extremely derivative.

That's something I didn't know. I always thought the Quanari were one of the most interesting aspects of DA lore, since most of their other world building was just copied from both real world and other fantasy sources. Turns out it was just a reference I didn't recognize.

Gender identity in itself is a mark of individuality that the Qunari might not have. I don't particularly recall how they've treated the issue in Inquisition, but having women in the military or what have you is something that could've been justified in-lore given the proper approach to the writing (which nuWare is too incompetent to have, naturally). Sten's remark was after all in regards to professional aptitudes and nothing else.

No. In DA2 it was established that female Qunari couldn't serve in the military. Their society is firmly divided in three branches: the military, which was reserved for men; the craftsmen, exclusively for women; and the priesthood, that accepts both sexes. See below:

https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Qunari#The_Triumvirate

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

That's something I didn't know. I always thought the Quanari were one of the most interesting aspects of DA lore, since most of their other world building was just copied from both real world and other fantasy sources. Turns out it was just a reference I didn't recognize.

Saarebas are literally just damane from WoT, including an assigned leash-holder, and wearing a controlling magical collar and leash (although DA also has them wearing some kind of mask, iirc). It's the first thing I thought of when I saw one in DAII.

the priesthood, that accepts both sexes

Even the "priesthood" seems to be subdivided into gender-segregated societies, with only their CIA accepting both genders.

Sten's remark was after all in regards to professional aptitudes and nothing else.

Are you stupid or something?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

No. In DA2 it was established that female Qunari couldn't serve in the military. Their society is firmly divided in three branches: the military, which was reserved for men; the craftsmen, exclusively for women; and the priesthood, that accepts both sexes. See below:

https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Qunari#The_Triumvirate

The sources for Qunari gender roles on that wiki article are from various Gaider posts on the BioWare forum, so I wouldn't consider them authoritative unless they found their way within the games, official novels or some other part of the franchise's canon (e.g. some DAO or DA2 codex entry or piece of dialogue outright stating that a female can't be a warrior or a male a craftsman). That's only my personal stance on matters of canonicity though.

 

[Dycedarg]

The sources for Qunari gender roles on that wiki article are from various Gaider posts on the BioWare forum, so I wouldn't consider them authoritative unless they found their way within the games, official novels or some other part of the franchise's canon (e.g. some DAO or DA2 codex entry or piece of dialogue outright stating that a female can't be a warrior or a male a craftsman). That's only my personal stance on matters of canonicity though.

The part about their society being segregated by sex was something I remembered on my own, though I really don't know if it was present in the games. Regardless, I still think it fits well with the way the Qunari are presented. We're talking about an extremely rigid society where each individual directed to the role where they think he will contribute the most to the collective. Men, being physically stronger, should be sent to the military. Women, being more patient or dexterous, should be taught a trade. But we both know why Bioware is going to retcon those ideas, even though they are not all bad: they can't have a fictional society where gender roles are completely segregated without painting it as cartoonishly evil. Not in 2021.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

But we both know why Bioware is going to retcon those ideas, even though they are not all bad: they can't have a fictional society where gender roles are completely segregated without painting it as cartoonishly evil. Not in 2021.

Agreed, although I think that having them have no notion of gender would've contributed to the alien nature of their culture (while still having a predominantly sex-based distribution of societal roles). Alas, BioWare prefers to cater to trannies instead.

 

[Nikanuur]

Let the people who made Andromeda make this one. It'll be hilarious.

There's this special type of really trashy B movies that are so bad (intentionally or unintentionally) that they are actually fun to watch. Even more so with friends and a joint. I wonder if we gamers aren't missing on these. Maybe it'd be start with what you said :D

 

[Kem0sabe]

We will be getting for sure a female Qunari party member in the next game, and she will be thick, built like a tank and a message for all the little gamer girls in the world that you can be fat, have horns and still practice fantasy communism no matter how many men try to hold you down.

 

[Dycedarg]

We will be getting for sure a female Qunari party member in the next game, and she will be thick, built like a tank and a message for all the little gamer girls in the world that you can be fat, have horns and still practice fantasy communism no matter how many men try to hold you down.

She'll also have a gigantic futa cock.

 

[Mauman]

There's this special type of really trashy B movies that are so bad (intentionally or unintentionally) that they are actually fun to watch. Even more so with friends and a joint. I wonder if we gamers aren't missing on these. Maybe it'd be start with what you said :D

The only problem is if it's unintentionally, you still don't want to give them money. Or at least pay the full price.

 

[Fredward]

Gender identity in itself is a mark of individuality that the Qunari might not have. I don't particularly recall how they've treated the issue in Inquisition, but having women in the military or what have you is something that could've been justified in-lore given the proper approach to the writing (which nuWare is too incompetent to have, naturally). Sten's remark was after all in regards to professional aptitudes and nothing else.

I'm like 98% sure this is the writers' rationale but it takes enough legwork to get there that I'm not surprised that the shortcut of 'retconned the qunari into being a lgbtq+ utopia' is the default position.

The qunari are a highly communal, consequentialist society as a result of their adherence to their religious/philosophical perspectives. Individuals only matter in so far as they contribute to the whole. This is to the point where individuals either don't have (or don't share, I forget which) individual names, instead they're named after the role they fill in society. Identity is entirely subsumed by societal contribution, ideally. I don't know if anything has ever been explicitly stated about how this would apply to other identity aspects like gender but probably? Roles might be explicitly gendered (ie if you are a soldier you are male) or implicitly (ie most soldiers have penises so the role is male) or explicitly as a result of implicit norms, cognitives biases etc (ie soldiers must be assigned male because I noticed most of them already have penises). Young qunari are sent to creches where the priest or teacher caste figures out what their future roles are going to be. Now let's say for the role of soldier it just so happens to turn out that 98% of children who have penises turn out be fit for that role because of bigger muscles, more aggression etc. But 2% of the children have vaginas but are aggressive, are skilled at fighting and/or are really bad or disinterested in roles more typically assigned to those with vaginas to the point of detriment.

What do you do with the 2%? Keep in mind you are part of a society that thinks everyone should contribute to their best capacity, to the point of enslaving mages despite finding their very existence ontologically threatening and that turn intransigent malcontents into mindless worker drones rather than executing them. Do you:

A) take the 2% behind the shed and lose potential value?
B) pathologize the tool and in so doing detract it's value contribution to society twofold in the sense that it only contributes after being fixed and you need to assign someone to fix it?
C) acknowledge that the 2%'s idiosyncrasies are not conducive to the roles typically assigned but, as the 2% has no presumed deficits beyond being a bit odd, it will ultimately add more value than the other alternatives even if it's assignation is atypical.

So no, in this particular instance there is no necessary reason to assume Bioware retconned for inclusivity and/or political correctness. People just aren't being dystopian enough when considering the Qun's logic.

 

[J1M]

Interesting that modern media has you thinking that 2% of the population is trans...

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

Two out of every one hundred people you meet are not trannies.

 

[Fedora Master]

Stop pretending this is a real game with a serious setting you imbeciles.

 

[Dycedarg]

So no, in this particular instance there is no necessary reason to assume Bioware retconned for inclusivity and/or political correctness. People just aren't being dystopian enough when considering the Qun's logic.

You seem to think the Qunari are utilitarians instead of religious fanatics. We're not talking about a society of perfectly logical knife eared vulcans here, who try to understand every phenomena in order to choose the best possible alternative. Your justification for why those creatures wouldn't just snuff those poor trannies also doesn't take into account a very important fact: their very existence would pose a threat to their perferctly gender segregated utopia. Because if you accept the radical thesis that a man or woman can be "born with the wrong body", what is stopping you from thinking that men can do girly stuff or vice versa? Whatever marginal contribution those trannies could give to society wouldn't be worth the risk of challenging an important dogma of your national faith. Better to kill them or torment them until they sunset themselves.