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Information New Shadowrun Returns Screenshots and Info at Game Informer

Discussion in 'News & Content Feedback' started by Crooked Bee, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. Excidium P. banal

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    Shitty compared to what?
     
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  2. Twinkle Liturgist

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    Oh :M
     
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  3. SCO Arcane In My Safe Space

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  4. evdk comrade troglodyte :M Patron

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    It does :love:
     
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  5. Roguey Codex Staff Sawyerite

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    Compared to using the Josh Sawyer method of creating core gameplay and content first and then figuring out how you want character progression and customization to happen.

    Or alternately a better ruleset than Shadowrun which has been criticized by both Sawyer and Avellone.
     
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  6. Excidium P. banal

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    Allright girl. :lol:

    So Sawyer is butthurt about dice pools? Like I care about the opinion of somebody ripping off 4E D&D rules. :smug:
     
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  7. imweasel Guest

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    I bet this game is gonna end up better than Project Dumbed Down Project Eternity though.
     
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  8. imweasel Guest

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    Sawyer is butthurt about anything that iz 2 komplicated (in his opinion), which he likes to calls "degenerate gaming" or something. He just wants it to be simple and "good" like in Skyrim, which is currently his favorite game.
    :codexisfor:
     
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  9. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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    Don't say that. Don't ever say that. Ugh.
     
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  10. IronicNeurotic Arbiter

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    Where is this from btw?
     
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  11. imweasel Guest

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    Check his Twitter feed. He plays it all the time and also posts pics of his awesome "accomplishments". :D
     
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  12. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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    Ugh. For fuck's sake.
     
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  13. Zeriel Arcane

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    Does anyone actually listen to what Sawyer and Avellone think about game systems? Neither has actually produced a great gameplay-oriented game. I like them both, but they're not people you'd go to to produce something like XCOM, say. Avellone is respected for his writing, nothing else.
     
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  14. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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    Have they really created their own systems so far?
     
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    No, but Josh is really opinionated.
     
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  16. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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    Obviously. So am I.
    Maybe I'm just overly sensitive but it does seem a touch arrogant to say some systems are shit, etc etc, and then say Skyrim is awesomely the best game evar!
    Maybe he's just praying for more Obsidian gold?
     
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  17. Blasterhead Educated

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    I don't care for the character proportions they've decided on at all, but it reads very well at a distance (likely why they settled on it) and the whole thing looks great together.

    If the editor has enough functionality and the mechanics aren't terrible this game is a no-brainer purchase even if the campaign they put together falls short.

    Very optimistic!
     
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  18. almondblight Arcane

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    Their only criticism seems to be about the amount of dice, which doesn't seem like a big one, and is also something a CRPG player doesn't have to worry about.
     
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  19. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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    Why is an amount of dice, either way, a bad thing?
    Too much to chance?
     
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  20. Shannow Waster of Time

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    Well, I'm still worried that the actual "game" will turn out to be a 10-hour short slug-fest on NWN OC level. And the actual game will be for modders to fix by making modules.
    And I don't like the proportions of some of the characters :rpgcodex:

    (Feeling better yet?)

    EDIT: Leaving stuff to chance in an RPG means you might miss on an attack. That's bad, mkay? /sawyer
     
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    You wouldn't think so but Infinitron got me rpgwatched for pointing out what an idiot he is.


    No, and the minor elements Sawyer has added to games have been horrible so far.

    He is one of those people who is so bad at DnD he thinks it's all random chance and you just die for no reason all the time. But it's not random chance it's all about building a party that works and understanding the game system. He had some big long video where he talked about game balance but saif about 100 things that just showed he;s too fucking retarded to get DnD and everything he wants to do to "fix" it will completely destroy it.

    But if you do roll two dice together it has a big effect to make things a little less random. You CAN control the randomness with dice, and in fact DnD does do this. It's a lot different to roll 3d6 than to roll a single d16. Gygax knew what the fuck he was doing, obviously Sawyer does not.
     
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  23. imweasel Guest

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    Yes, yes, Sawyer is a retard that has no idea how to do low level design and just copies 4E D&D. And removes all of the hard "degenerate" stuff.

    But this is a Shadowrun thread, there is no need to befoul it. ;)
     
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  24. General Maxson Arcane

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    From what I've seen this kickstarter game looks best so far. I hope that W2 gameplay vid will be at least as good as this.
     
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  25. MapMan Arcane

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    Wasteland 2 screenshot released -> Some say it looks bad -> Those people are ridiculed and called morons for discussing the art direction and graphics of just released in game screenshot.
    Shadowrun Returns screenshots released -> A circle jerk forms saying how MAJESTIC it looks -> No one sees a problem.

    Codex at its finest.
     
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