New Total War game: Warhammer

[Haba]

What's most aberrant is the streamer's satisfaction. 'This is great for me' and he keeps on playing.

That is gaming for you. You find an exploit that gives you an easy victory. And then complain that the game is easy.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Blaine]

What's most aberrant is the streamer's satisfaction. 'This is great for me' and he keeps on playing. That's the Total War audience right there. Why program an advanced AI if a dumb AI makes the average player feel smart and satisfied?

Don't be an asshole. He says: "I don't understand it... it's great for me, but I still don't understand it." While he doesn't immediately launch into an autistic rant about how the game's total shit, it's clear in context that he knows something isn't right. There's nothing to suggest he's "satisfied" with it or that he finds buggy AI behaviors desirable.

What did you expect? Should he have aborted the stream and started smashing his computer peripherals while ranting about Creative Assembly? Or did you just need any flimsy excuse for a soapbox?

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

I was praising this game for trying to make factions more unique, but now that I did more reading and watched a few streams some of those ideas sound a bit... eh. Like undead having no ranged units at all, wat. Some of the offensive spells also seemed op as fuck in the videos, even more powerful than they were in Dark Omen and in that game you could basically solo most of the campaign with the bright wizard.

 

[MoLAoS]

What's most aberrant is the streamer's satisfaction. 'This is great for me' and he keeps on playing. That's the Total War audience right there. Why program an advanced AI if a dumb AI makes the average player feel smart and satisfied?

Don't be an asshole. He says: "I don't understand it... it's great for me, but I still don't understand it." While he doesn't immediately launch into an autistic rant about how the game's total shit, it's clear in context that he knows something isn't right. There's nothing to suggest he's "satisfied" with it or that he finds buggy AI behaviors desirable.

What did you expect? Should he have aborted the stream and started smashing his computer peripherals while ranting about Creative Assembly? Or did you just need any flimsy excuse for a soapbox?

Talking shit about Creative Assembly is an honorable and important profession sir!

 

[varangos]

What's most aberrant is the streamer's satisfaction. 'This is great for me' and he keeps on playing. That's the Total War audience right there. Why program an advanced AI if a dumb AI makes the average player feel smart and satisfie

thats a 100% shill,he begun by making fun made videos and then he got hired by CA to shill for them,nothing wrong to find a way to pay your bills but you should know whos who when you watch a video.

 

[Corporate_Jew_Master]

Legend is all about finding the most exploitable stack combo to autoresolve with at least 99% chance of winning.

 

[muds_animal_friend]

Should he have aborted the stream and started smashing his computer peripherals while ranting about Creative Assembly?

Yes. Not everyone is a dirty casual like you Blaine. I smashed up three PCs playing Rome 2. haRdcoregamer4life.




I also preordered.

 

[Blaine]

Not everyone is a dirty casual like you Blaine.

I also preordered.

Shit man, I've been playing Shogun 2, and I remembered why (probably) I stopped playing it earlier than I otherwise would have three years ago: The AI spamming out 500 little navy ships and single ashigaru troops and moving them all over the place. Lots of strategy and 4x game AIs tend to do that sort of thing, but it's fucking OBNOXIOUS in Shogun 2 simply because of the naval element. Other than the obvious reasons why, especially if you haven't unchecked "Show AI Moves" in the campaign options, it means pirate fleets quickly and easily collect tons of ships to add to their navies.

It's an AI. For an AI, making 50 fucking fleets and managing 50 little one-ashigaru armies isn't tedious at all. For players, it's incredibly tedious.

I'm sorely tempted to go for Total Warhammer, but I think I'll try to get back into Medieval II instead.

 

[visions]

I was praising this game for trying to make factions more unique, but now that I did more reading and watched a few streams some of those ideas sound a bit... eh. Like undead having no ranged units at all, wat.

That's not something Creative Assembly came up with. There were no conventional ranged units in Vampire Counts armies in tabletop either. Dark Omen had skeleton archers since the undead hadn't been split up into Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts back then. Only Tomb Kings had skeleton archers after the split up of undead into VC and TK. It would be weirder for them to have archers in VC armies, because there has never been an official VC list with conventional ranged units. I say conventional ranged units cause iiirc some things they had in tabletop had a ranged attack (Banshee? Some of the newfangled things that came after the sixth edition? Don't remember, but VC never had conventional ranged units like archers or anything like that).

I'd prefer them to stay loyal to tabletop, as far as army composition and the basic role of units is concerned, so imo it would be weirder for them to have conventional ranged units in VC.

 

[muds_animal_friend]

It's an AI. For an AI, making 50 fucking fleets and managing 50 little one-ashigaru armies isn't tedious at all. For players, it's incredibly tedious.

It all goes back to CA's horrendous decision to introduce the shitty free movement 3D strategy map in Rome 1. Everything bad in the campaign AI can be traced back to that. It's the patient zero of Total War's horrible campaign AI. And each iteration they add some new, poorly thought out feature to the strategy map in an attempt to make free movement more relevant, but it invariably makes the game less about decisive battles and more about wack-a-mole the AI armies/fleets/merchants/whatever.

Fall of the Samurai's gunboat's ability to bombard resource points on the strategy map was the nadir for me. Apparently 19th century Japanese naval patrol vessels were equipped with tactical nuclear warheads capable of destroying a province’s agricultural infrastructure. Let one -- just one -- slip past your defensive fleets and your entire economy can be raised to the ground.

 

[Ulminati]

Good to see the press copies of WHTW continue the proud tradition of an entire ranged formation holding fire because one guy is stuck on a tree somewhere. It's been how many games now without a "fire when ready" order to circumvent this?

 

[Blaine]

Good to see the press copies of WHTW continue the proud tradition of an entire ranged formation holding fire because one guy is stuck on a tree somewhere. It's been how many games now without a "fire when ready" order to circumvent this?

That, or just down-low fade the lost guy back into his formation if he falls X pixels behind. It's not like you can control individual soldiers anyway, so if they aren't separated on account of fighting, why aren't there measures in place to ensure all the men more-or-less stick together?

 

[kris]

I was praising this game for trying to make factions more unique, but now that I did more reading and watched a few streams some of those ideas sound a bit... eh. Like undead having no ranged units at all, wat. Some of the offensive spells also seemed op as fuck in the videos, even more powerful than they were in Dark Omen and in that game you could basically solo most of the campaign with the bright wizard.

Some reviews posted here said the opposite, that offensive magic wasn't really that useful and he ended up mostly using buffs and debuffs

 

[Corporate_Jew_Master]

Archaon's starting fireball spell is shit but that death magic unit-nuke is op af.

 

[Blaine]

>be Vampire Counts
>not allowed to have ranged units
>receive a powerful Death Magic nuke that devastates one unit
>DAT SHIT OP YO

Dwarves pls go

 

[Zewp]

I see they're releasing a free faction at some point. I wonder what that'll be?

 

[Blaine]

I see they're releasing a free faction at some point. I wonder what that'll be?

Lizardmen, because no one wants them.

 

[Corporate_Jew_Master]

PONTUS

 

[Ulminati]

I see they're releasing a free faction at some point. I wonder what that'll be?

Brettonians, so they can reuse the empire animations and models with minimum effort.

Elves will be paid DLC because you know they'll sell like hotcakes.

Either way, the game will be shit unless we get old school Chaos Dwarves. Fancy hats for everyone!

 

[Echo Mirage]

According to one of the steam screenshots The forests of loren is on the map but greyed out.

Spoiler

But its quite small as well.

 

[vonAchdorf]

Elves will probably in one of the standalone sequels which can be merged together with this game for a huge continuous game world. I still wonder what their plans are - if the stand alone sequel doesn't include the current game world, it will have only two or three factions in it (DE, HE, Lizards if they add also Lustria).

I also wonder where in this case the third stand alone expansion would be. Old world Asia? Sees unlikely.

Chaos Dwarfs are a possibility, they resurrected them recently for AoS with a new (ForgeWorld, iirc) model.

 

[Zewp]

Yeah, no doubt it will be some shitty faction a grand total of two people will play.

I just wonder why they're bothering at all? Trying to win back goodwill after the Chaos Warriors shit? You can bet the casuals will be singing their praises because "FREE STUFF" just like they did in Witcher 3.

 

[Ulminati]

Chaos Dwarfs are a possibility, they resurrected them recently for AoS with a new (ForgeWorld, iirc) model.

Nu-ChaosD0rfs:

Prestigious OldSkool Chaos Dwarf:

 

[vonAchdorf]

Chaos Dwarfs are a possibility, they resurrected them recently for AoS with a new (ForgeWorld, iirc) model.

Nu-ChaosD0rfs:

Spoiler

Prestigious OldSkool Chaos Dwarf:

I meant this one:

Not as prestigious as yours, but more akin to then than the others.