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Incline Nexus Now Disallowing Creators To Delete Their Mods (Aug 5 Cutoff Date Passed)

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Immortal, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. TheEntitledOne Arcane

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    If you really want your mods deleted just make a Fuhrer Deathcamp Babysitter mod. Cancellation = Free deletion.
     
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  2. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    also, uploading mods under a real name(just like using your real name for anything online) is stupid so you probably deserve it anyways
     
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  3. Poseidon00 Arcane

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    I suppose it's my fault. I wrote that thing up before SoD was launched and hadn't interacted with the community before then.

    Still, I wouldn't have done it at all if I knew I had no control over it. Folks can benefit from it still existing on the net, sure, but they will never get the BG2 version heheh.

    I like the idea from a player perspective but from a creators I understand their discontent. It's discouraging if you can't even have token control over your own mods, and of course it makes controsoversial stuff that much more rare and easy to penalize.
     
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  4. laclongquan Arcane

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    Talk about narcissist!

    1. The biggest narcissist: Assuming people would still host your files twenty years later. This is only fapped about in the deepest, darkest fap session of a narcissist.
    ++++Why? Because you are not that good. You, yeah, any of you small modders are never that good. That's the cruel truth. People would not host your files two decades later. Dont even dream about it. maybe the big projects, with like a team working on it, can still have fans doing that. But small mods? No chance.

    2. The second narcissist: Assuming you can get to the such high level that would need a history clean up. No, you would never get to such level. Why? Because you are wasting time making mods, that's why. Maybe some of you do good works and we thank you for it. But the utter truth is that when you waste time on making amateur mods, it's SUPER unlikely you have enough EQ (not IQ), time for social activities, and energy to do all the works necessary before getting to such high level.
    +++Seriously. There's one reason we think people in high positions such fuddy duddy who never do anything fun. Because to get to that level they cant just do funs.
    +++Let's assume the impossible that is one of you get to such level that need a history clean up two decades from now. ONE, there would be small websites, obscure really, that host yours and you really should thank them profusely for that. TWO, you can pay dedicated legal+internet search specialist to send inquiry to them to request for take down. 30 days and it going ALL down because there would not be that many of them. And the cost would not be that much, even at current price tag. Thousand dollars, top~
     
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  5. DeepOcean Arcane

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    Oh, Xilandro is an attention whore that get buttblasted for anything, he is just the living proof of why Nexus should stop deletions. One thing is Xilandro's flipping out one day, "discovering" he is a stunning and brave tranny and removing his mods what wouldnt really cause much damage, another thing is some retard responsible for scripting extensions like SKSe, UI mods and other base mods that other mods depend upon removing their shit because they also "discovered" they are trannies and the Nexus has alot of drumpf supporters on it.

    Actually a better solution for this problem would be the Nexus having a tranny filtering system. I dunno, like a questionaire or something like:
    "Do you want to chop your dick on the close future?"
    If the answer is yes, the person should be IP banned from the site.
    However, the Nexus administration are too PC for that.
     
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  6. Immortal Arcane

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    > I hate Beamdog
    > I Modded BG:EE
    > I deleted my mod to teach BD a lesson

    Found the Unhinged Modder.. This is why Nexus needs this rule implemented. You freaks are shitting up the community.


    After 53 Pages of Autistic screeching, empty threats and lolyer debating. The Admin just shut it down.
    No matter how much feces they spread over the walls Nexus doesn't appear to be budging.

    Should be interesting to see what happens.
     
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  7. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    Nothing will happen.
    People need to stop giving into the crybullies.
     
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  8. Poseidon00 Arcane

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    People who mod are mentally ill. In other news, the sky is blue.

    You just have to treat us like the autists we are.

    I only made a cringe npc mod anyway. Literally nobodies loss
     
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  9. RobotSquirrel Learned

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    The reason why I don't like Nexus is because its extremely difficult to figure out incompatibilities due to how the site lays out its content. ModDB allows you to create a file listing with its own comments section basically allowing you to gate your files towards compatible versions and then provide support for each file. I like that better from a Developer perspective. I wish Nexus had that.
    Plus the community, ModDB has been super supportive of me for the past 20 years. They are a great community.

    ModDB's flaws are that its extremely difficult to publish "DLC" mods like a new weapon or new armour, instead the site would rather you made compilations and packs of your content.
    Nexus is well setup for those DLC styled mods but it becomes a nightmare to search through for popular games as such you miss a lot of great content.

    I mean that's why I don't like nexus. But it has its place.

    complete lie. Deus Ex New Vision has 200,000+ downloads from that site alone, 1.5M page views and is still 82nd on the site. I was a texture artist on that mod.
    If its getting only 200 downloads its more because people didn't want to download it. The site does a good job at promoting new content.
    My student tech demo that I worked on in a team got over 1,000 downloads.

    If you want a more recent metric:
    https://www.moddb.com/mods/tie-figh...ds/tie-fighter-total-conversion-tftc-v10-full
    Just came out a day ago. 2,000 downloads.
     
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  10. coldcrow Prophet Patron

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    In the end it's the inability of most people to truly grasp the impact of digitalization. Once a thing is digitized and published, it is a common good. Even *copyrighted* stuff. But that's a discussion for another day.
    I read like 20 pages of the nexus thread and come to the conclusion the offended modders are actually just jealous that they don't get money for their work.
    Most of them cite losing control over their creation (comparing this to pirating music), well, they made it public for FREE, under no license whatsoever. I don't know, as a modder I'd actually be happy to have a permanent archive at the ready where I can technically access every mod ever made.
    This is different from a usual filehoster insofar, that they (usually) include hosting timeouts, and (usually) don't serve creative content which will be accessed frequently. So when large modpacks became a common occurence like 2 years ago, there was pretty much the writing on the wall.
    This shit broke ENW :(
     
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  11. RobotSquirrel Learned

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    Nexus never changes. Paid mods was half a decade ago and they're still defending it.
     
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  12. HeatEXTEND Cipher Patron

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    Shitty practice that.
     
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  13. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    There exists a subset of modders who don't do it for the joy of creation and their love of the original game. They do it to build a portfolio for a future gamedev career. Those are the kinds that act very defensively about their own work, because to them it's not just a hobby project contributed to a thriving community of hobbyists. To them it's something to use for professional references. And if it ever becomes inconvenient because it's no longer on par with the quality of their newer work... it gets deleted.

    Fuck those people.
     
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    Modders are so desperate and needy.

    I just received a rant by one because I deleted a comment under his mod.

    I had asked him very politely if he could provide a file so we could make a certain change ourselves. He said he couldn't do it because he doesn't want to give away the goodies, but he would posssibly maybe probably do the change for me if I convinced him,

    so I deleted my comment because I was not interested in that. I download hundreds of mods on this site so there was no more use to it.

    Guy goes mental and throws insults at me in horrible English, that the flight sim community does not need me and stuff like that. He has 1 other comment and rating under his little mods, so I had deprived him of half his livelihood.
     
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  15. lightbane Arcane

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    The two can overlap IMO.
     
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  16. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    They can. But it's all about attitude. Skacky started out making Quake and Thief maps for fun, and was later hired by 3D Realms to work on Wrath as a level designer. He still makes Quake and Thief maps for fun, because he enjoys it and loves these old games and their communities.

    But some modders explicitly make mods as a career move. You can easily notice the difference in their attitudes.
     
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  17. Immortal Arcane

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    But wait.. That's exactly the feature Nexus are implementing that your whining about... a Curated Collection list of mods that are compatible together feature that other players / modders can build and share..

    A dead give away is when the description of their mod is plastered in Patreon / BuyMeACoffee banners before you even get to the description of wtf the mod does.. oh and the "free" version is 8 versions behind the Gold Tier Backer version on patreon.

    Pure cancer.
     
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  18. Morpheus Kitami Savant

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    Like most, I don't see this as a bad thing. Its hard enough trying to find a mod you forgot when the original website they were hosted on went down, let alone intentionally removing it. I'd feel more sympathy for modders if their reasons weren't always so petty. Its never a big project collapsing in flames or a single dude getting screwed by the website; Its petty internet grievances that don't really matter, not even to the modder.
     
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  19. Burning Bridges Enviado de meu SM-G3502T usando Tapatalk

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    It's an old problem when people want to exert power because of some trifle they own.

    See it in a Amanda Gorman kind of way. She let her poem out to the world and now wants to demand how people use it. That's exactly the kind of thing that a modder often does, he gives you his rainbow colored tank texture, then makes demands how you use your computer, and eventually deletes the mod demanding that the decent users will have to punish the rogue before it comes back.
     
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  20. HumanTotemPole Augur

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    Props to the Nexus for doing this. Modpacks are a great idea. Getting my head around MWSE, Wyre Mash and 10 other tools in the good old days was instructive but a massive pain in the hole. Most functional adults don't have the tens of hours spare to patch and tweak a complete modlist anymore.

    I'm sympathetic to modders wanting control over what they make in principle but the prevalence of toxic personalities and behaviours in practice means something like this had to happen eventually.
     
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  21. passerby Augur

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    I think people shitting on modders here are full of shit.

    Modders drama is a meme, but in reality a small minority is involved in petty dramas, mostly teenagers and trannies.
    The best modders are extremely rarely involved in them, I've never found myself using a mod that was deleted from the internet by the author.
    It's an issue that is so rare, that shouldn't be a concern for good, maintained mod collections, that would be kept up to date with mods updates and releases.

    There are legitimate concerns that make modpacks disliked by modders:
    1) If most users acquire their mods with modpacks, modders will receive much less interaction, feedback and bug reports, while bugs will be harder to troubleshoot.
    2) People won't pay attention who did what, won't appreciate and recognise their work enough to give direct donations.

    Regardless of these concerns, overwheling majority of modders would probably unenthusiastically accept collections of mods kept as separate entries in mods manager.
    They will probably result in more recognition for smaller unpopular but good mods, while less for big popular ones.

    The one concern is that Nexus will put collections functionality behind a paywall making it the main source of income, while modders will get in return scraps and no direct recognition to inspire direct paypal donations from users.
    Plans like this, or some other unwelcome by modders changes, are way more likely to be the reson for fear of modders exodus and taking precautions to take a complete hold over the mods.
    Nexus pitching mod users against modders claiming it's essential for mod collections feature is shady as fuck.

    It's one thing making something for fun and sharing for free, but watching some company profit from your work locked behind an agreement you can't opt out is another.
    Everyone here agrees that whatever pennies they make from donations, are not worth the effort and time and are not the main motivation for modding, so they don't owe Nexus all their work, for the reach it gives them.

    In principle there is nothing unreasonable in a desire to have a right to remove the shit you worked hard on, just in case the service undergoes some unwelcome changes, or another better service will appear, or for whatever reason the fuck you want really.
    Personally, if I was an author of some serious effort mod, I've put hundreds of work hours in, I'd move it to modDB now, to wait and see how this situation with Nexus develops.
     
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  22. Immortal Arcane

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    Everything you wrote here was just retarded and wrong.
    Please never passerby again.
     
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  23. Scruffy The janitor Patron

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    Codex 2012 Torment: Tides of Numenera Codex USB, 2014
    I'm Ridin' with Biden I'm Ridin' with Biden
    that's quite old
     
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  24. Bester ⚰️☠️⚱️ Patron Vatnik

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    Oh no.
    Anyway.
     
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  25. DeepOcean Arcane

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    Man, The Frontier before the debacle that it when people discovered the questionable quality of it, before the launch, when it was still hyped, a huge project like that did fund raising for charity on Patreon and gathered fucking 1000 dollars or so after a long time, so no, If you arent a thot or a meme youtuber, people dont give donations to you. So, this argument that poor modders would lose livelihood is nonsense, if you go on modding expecting money, please go after a real job, modding is people doing fun stuff so people play fun stuff, dont have more expectations than that.
     
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