Interview NMA discusses Fallout 3 with Desslock

[MountainWest]

The have been major and meaningful differences demonstrated between the two games. 'Oblivion With Guns' is getting old; F3 is said to have branching quests, choice and consequence, the ability to do things out of order ala F1/2 and Arcanum, non-wiki-style dialouge, multiple endings, XP based character system... the list goes on. They have an engine and a dev team in common.

So you happily swallow the Bethesda hype machine (tm) like a good little cocksucker but critizice Krafter and Squecoo for judging the game based on what they've seen? That's funny.

I think F3 could be a pretty fun game, I try to divorce it from the previous Fallouts in my mind, because if I look at it as a true successor to Fallout, I know I'll be very dissapointed.

No one fucking cares if F3 is a good game or not. That's not the issue. The issue is that it most likely will suck as a Fallout game. I and many more want a good Fallout game. Is that so hard to understand?

Because it's Beth, and because it's Fallout, though, it's virtually impossible for people who loved Fallout 1 and hated Oblivion to be remotely objective about Fallout 3.

For a good reason. If a man abuses his wife, gets divorced and then marries your sister - would you welcome him to the family?

 

[RK47]

just change the name then.

 

[Volourn]

"Like Mass Effect, which it *is* functionally identical to, it is a modern evolution of what BioWare started then."

Huh? Not really. ME ha sno '6 second rule'. I doubt ME's combat is thjat similar to the IE (or NWN) style combat. At all. It's definitely no 'modern evolution' of it. That's for darn sure.

 

[aweigh]

It's a de-evolution of it. See what I did there.

 

[denizsi]

It's interesting that Desslock made some sense.

What has Desslock said in the past that made people here dislike him?

Something like "Oblivion is the best RPG evar!". Different words, but EXACTLY the same meaning.

He's also the one who paid a visit to Beth HQ shortly after or before Oblivion's release, and then came to spread meaningless and misleading impressions, where he supposedly witnessed early FO3 development and he knew whether the game would be iso + TB, but when asked with a straight face, he could only say "you'll be surprised". Quite the weasel.

Speaking of whom, he seem to have a certain kind of obsession about slapping a label of originality on Bethesda, no matter what.

Because it's Beth, and because it's Fallout, though, it's virtually impossible for people who loved Fallout 1 and hated Oblivion to be remotely objective about Fallout 3.

Certainly not if you are an erratic crybaby.

 

[Mefi]

What has Desslock said in the past that made people here dislike him?

Something like "Oblivion is the best RPG evar!". Different words, but EXACTLY the same meaning.

In fairness, he also did a piece on ToEE and Co8. Favourable too. I can't hate him if he likes Oblivion after I read that.

 

[Araanor]

There's a good Saint Proverbius quote on Desslock around somewhere...

 

[inwoker]

No one fucking cares if F3 is a good game or not. That's not the issue. The issue is that it most likely will suck as a Fallout game. I and many more want a good Fallout game. Is that so hard to understand?

This should be instead of "putting a role back to rpg"
)))

 

[Severian Silk]

Ok, this is becoming a bit deceiving now. Desslock got bent down on the Infinity engine topic, I never claimed it was identical or even *like* Infinity Engine combat. The preview says:
labeled anything from innovative to the worst idea of all time, I don't really see either one as being very valid. "Unoriginal" is the name I'd use. If I had to describe V.A.T.S. at gun point, I'd call it a system of RT combat with limited pausing through fatigue (Action Points) and super-attacks (aimed shot), which to most people will sound pretty much like what BioWare started doing in the mid-90s with the Infinity Engine

Whot?

If you read that carefully, you'll see I'm saying this is a continuation of BioWare's RTwP. Like Mass Effect, which it *is* functionally identical to, it is a modern evolution of what BioWare started then.

I've read what you quoted carefully. Nowhere do you mention [strike]continuation[/strike] [edit: oops], evolution, change, development, enlargement, evolvement, expansion, flowering, growth, increase, maturation, natural process, progression, transformation, unfolding, working out, etc.

 

[Shannow]

Ok, this is becoming a bit deceiving now. Desslock got bent down on the Infinity engine topic, I never claimed it was identical or even *like* Infinity Engine combat. The preview says:
labeled anything from innovative to the worst idea of all time, I don't really see either one as being very valid. "Unoriginal" is the name I'd use. If I had to describe V.A.T.S. at gun point, I'd call it a system of RT combat with limited pausing through fatigue (Action Points) and super-attacks (aimed shot), which to most people will sound pretty much like what BioWare started doing in the mid-90s with the Infinity Engine

Whot?

If you read that carefully, you'll see I'm saying this is a continuation of BioWare's RTwP. Like Mass Effect, which it *is* functionally identical to, it is a modern evolution of what BioWare started then.

I've read what you quoted carefully. Nowhere do you mention continuation, evolution, change, development, enlargement, evolvement, expansion, flowering, growth, increase, maturation, natural process, progression, transformation, unfolding, working out, etc.

"Started" points to continuation, developmen. Although I also found that misleading and understood it after Brother None made it clearer.
I also strongly disagree with Desslock on the point of objectivity. Staying close to the truth, trying to give all facts IS more objective than sayin "it's going to be great, bethesda said so". It is not a matter of being more analytical.

 

[stargelman]

It's interesting that Desslock made some sense.

What has Desslock said in the past that made people here dislike him?

Something like "Oblivion is the best RPG evar!". Different words, but EXACTLY the same meaning.

He's also the one who paid a visit to Beth HQ shortly after or before Oblivion's release, and then came to spread meaningless and misleading impressions, where he supposedly witnessed early FO3 development and he knew whether the game would be iso + TB, but when asked with a straight face, he could only say "you'll be surprised". Quite the weasel.

I don't find it all that unlikely that he knew that. Hell, I knew (as in, have the facts, not guessing) FO3 would be first person realtime since 2005!

 

[denizsi]

Of course, we all knew. The point is, when somebody voiced that early prophecy, he would say "Don't be so sure" and when asked why, "can't tell you".

There's a good Saint Proverbius quote on Desslock around somewhere...

This one?

I trust Desslock about as far as I can throw the fat piece of shit. He was way too much of an Infinity Engine fanboy for me to take seriously four years ago, and now that he's reviewing things for PC Gamer, a rag which has been noted for scoring reviews based on ad space sales.. Oh yeah, I have much more faith in him.

 

[Brother None]

"Started" points to continuation, developmen.

Yes.

Blame it on bad writing. Apologies if it reads as if I'm saying it's directly comparable to Infinity Engine combat. It is as comparably to Infinity Engine combat as ME is.

 

[MetalCraze]

So what makes him love Oblivion so much?

$$

 

[Elhoim]

"But the NMA guys were a lot more objective as they used more facts than adjectives as "AWESOME!" or "NEXT-GEN"."

You can still be bias, and unobjective while using facts. Politicians do it all the time. So do lawyers.

That's true. It happens when you select only the facts that agree with your vision.

 

[HanoverF]

F3 is said to have branching quests, choice and consequence, the ability to do things out of order

Replace F3 with Oblivion and this is exactly what we were hearing before that pos came out. And people on TESForums give themselves whiplash on a regular basis trying to convince themselves and others that it does have those features.

 

[miles foreman]

Where's that quote from Desslock way back when (I think it was on Qt3) where he stated that he'd seen Bethsoft's FO3 before anyone else and that we shouldn't be worried?

Every goddamned thing said around here about that piece of shit came true.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

His conclusion about FO3 is not very good, as Krafter pointed out.

Um, what? Have you played the final version of Fallout 3? Has Krafter? Upon what evidence do either of you base the conclusion that F3 will be 'Oblivion With Guns' and thus suck?

Screenshots (it certainly looks like Oblivion with all the bloom and Orcs - sorry, I mean Super Mutants). Bethesda's track record (of making sucky lifeless RPGs whilst over-hyping features which turn out to be crappy). Interviews so far (Nuclear weapons that explode in your face and have the radiation disappate within seconds, whlie toilet water is the only thing you can drink because everything else has been radiated forever).

The[re] have been major and meaningful differences demonstrated between the two games.

No, there hasn't been. Which is why you did this...

'Oblivion With Guns' is getting old; F3 is said to have branching quests, choice and consequence, the ability to do things out of order ala F1/2 and Arcanum, non-wiki-style dialouge, multiple endings, XP based character system... the list goes on. They have an engine and a dev team in common.

You may not have been here for the Oblivion hype train but they said that had all those things too or at least, lots of shit it turned out not to have. Even their pros turned into cons. EG: "Fully voiced dialogue" became "I saw a mudcrab yesterday" and random people on the street changing their voices three times in a conversation with you. Bethesda do not have a record of focussing on the things that make a quality, meaningful RPG. They have a record of making things shiny and hyping it to death.

I mean, if the game that is developed as Fallout 3 had been demoed to The Codex as a generic Post-Apoc shooter/RPG being made by an unheard of studio, the reaction would be pretty positive.

No, no it wouldn't have. You clearly weren't here for The Fall or a range of other generic post-apoc shooters that have come out over the past few years either.

Bethesda aren't who I'd choose to make F3, not by a long shot. I thought Oblivion was drab and dull. As Michael Madej said, sort of like an MMO, but without any of the things that make MMOs fun.

I think F3 could be a pretty fun game, I try to divorce it from the previous Fallouts in my mind, because if I look at it as a true successor to Fallout, I know I'll be very dissapointed.

See below.

Because it's Beth, and because it's Fallout, though, it's virtually impossible for people who loved Fallout 1 and hated Oblivion to be remotely objective about Fallout 3.

Which is funny because you said yourself, just now that "Bethesda aren't who I'd choose to make F3, not by a long shot" and "I think F3 could be a pretty fun game, I try to divorce it from the previous Fallouts in my mind, because if I look at it as a true successor to Fallout, I know I'll be very dissapointed."

So you're allowed to ignore everything Fallout is and say "Hai guys si might be awsum lols cause I read that someone's cats brothers said..." where-as we can't say "this game will suck cause it's gonna be a shitty FO3"... which is a statement you wholly agree with.

Right.

 

[Surgey]

Who the hell is Desslock?

 

[Krafter]

I try to divorce it from the previous Fallouts in my mind, because if I look at it as a true successor to Fallout, I know I'll be very dissapointed.

Amazingly enough, you hit on the crux of the matter (for me) right here yourself. The difference is, I cannot divorce it, nor should we. It's Fallout 3. It should resemble Fallout 1 and Fallout 2, and not the Elder Scrolls. We both know which way that is going to go. If they wanted their game to be treated as a clean slate, make Elder Scrolls : Post-Nuclear instead. I'm still kinda surprised that they did not go this route.

I don't profess to have seen anything more than anyone else, but we really don't need any more information, and I would suspect that anyone that has been around as long as Desslock knows this. See what Dark Underlord writes for more details. The screens look like an Oblivion mod, frankly.

 

[Cycloptis]

http://www.gamebanshee.com/previews/fallout3-1.php

This preview reiterates the state of Fallout 3 in our points of view.

 

[Volrath]

Are you a big fan of Fallout and did you expect a sequel to hold close to the originals design in both setting and gameplay? Set it and forget it.

Well fuck me sideways then...

 

[Monolith]

http://www.gamebanshee.com/previews/fallout3-1.php

This preview reiterates the state of Fallout 3 in our points of view.

It was written by Brother None. What did you expect?

 

[Nutcracker]

Brother None rules

 

[Brother None]

Brother None rules

Not really. What kind of cheating cheater who cheats writes not just one negative preview for Fallout3, but two?

By the way, that puts the negative previews of Fallout 3 at 3. One from some Dutch dude (who had not seen the demo) and two from me. Either I really missed something during the demo and Fallout 3 really is the greatest thing since sliced bread or the gaming media kind of sucks.

Luckily Buck had no problems with my view of Fallout 3, though he asked me to keep the tone less snide than my first draft would have it. I hope you guys will enjoy the articles I'll be doing for GameBanshee. So far that's just this and my BioShock review, but there should be previews (a short one of Drakensang and a really long one for Hard to be a God) and interviews heading up soon.