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Decline Now that the dust has settled, can we admit that Disco Elysium is decline?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Jenkem, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. Jenkem Magister Patron

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    Semi-interesting story bogged down by reddit-tier political gommentary, a true lack of choice & consequences, progression railroaded behind repeatable skill checks, and an anticlimactic ending. The only reason it gets as much traction around here is twofold: First, the absolutely abysmal state of CRPGs (or CRPG-Likes in DE's case) and second, the propaganda efforts of the Disco cabal of communists, socialists, and anarcho-syndicalists. These people are willing to lie, cheat and steal if it means duping another person into accepting their ideology.

    They tried to tell us the game had "immense C&C" when the consequences boil down mostly to being treated to a different piece of interrupting flavor text rather than anything actually substantial. They claim the game has a plethora of ideologies to choose from, but the only ideas that are written with any honesty are leftist ideologies, whereas anything to the right of Stalin is derided and clearly written by people whose entire understanding of right-wing ideologies comes from /r/chapotraphouse memes.

    The game is also pushed and praised by the Marxist-Leninist GAMES MEDIA, which is clearly understood to be a source of decline, not only in crpgs, but in all of gaming. And yet in this instance, many on the codex are in lock step with the Lügenspielpresse. An influx of Marxist sympathizers have been slowly infiltrating this website over the last few years in a concerted effort to spread decline.

    When The Outer Worlds was praised by the media, the codex laughed. When Divinity: OS was praised by the media, the codex cringed. But now, when the praises are lavished on the latest adventure game-cum-visual novel solely based on its political leanings, many on the Codex celebrated. Is this where RPG Codex is, now? Purveyors of milquetoast CRPGS? A slightly edgier RPGWatch?

    IF YOU SEE SOMEONE PRAISING DISCO ELYSIUM, UPDATE YOUR .TXT, BECAUSE REST ASSURED THEY'VE ALREADY UPDATED THEIRS.
     
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  2. Valky Arcane Manlet

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    Disco Elysium proponents get thrown in the bog.
     
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  3. aweigh Arcane

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    based jenkem
     
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  4. Absinthe Prophet

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    Disco Elysium is an adventure game that tries very hard to pretend it's an RPG despite its overwhelming lack of any mechanics that aren't dressed up skill modifiers for skill checks, and its skill checks are pretty much just dialogue checks at that. I think DE's alright as an adventure game, but anyone praising it as an RPG is on drugs.

    Edit: There's an interesting thread on how reasonably speaking this shouldn't be called an adventure game either: Can we please stop calling RPGs without gameplay Adventures?
     
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  5. prengle Educated

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    :updatedmytxt:
     
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  6. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    It's a delightful, charming, nice, fun, memorable, cool ass game

    It's not replayable, it's not got meaningful C&C, it's not got robust gameplay mechanics

    That is all. It's like an anti-mondblut citadel I guess

    Politics w/e I'll play a good game whether it's praised by leftists or not, whether it's praised by rightists or not, why the hell is half of the OP whining about the media? Can't you think for yourself? Do you have to hate something if the media likes it? I don't even know what they like, I don't give a shit.
     
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  7. Valky Arcane Manlet

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    Your words say it is a game but your description says it is a book.
     
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  8. S.torch Savant

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    No.
     
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  9. Butter Arcane

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    It's a really well polished visual novel. Nice music, nice artwork, etc. Its reactivity is mostly superficial and there doesn't seem to be much replay value. I don't regret the purchase, but I also never considered voting for it as GotY.
     
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  10. Absinthe Prophet

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    Get the fuck out if this is your idea of making a rebuttal. Either present some fucking rationale for your view or don't bother posting in the first place.

    :nocountryforshitposters:
     
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  11. Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd Arcane Patron

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    Divinity: Original Sin Torment: Tides of Numenera Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    ok codexer
     
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  13. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Sure, OK, why not

    I don't care if it's an RPG or a book or a condom as long as it works
     
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  14. Think big! Smoking Dicks

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    Every political ideology presented in that game is a caricature. If you say it promotes leftist ideology you either haven't played it or weren't paying attention.

    I'm speaking as an Objectivist, so watch the fuck out.
     
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  15. S.torch Savant

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    Ok.
    Disco Elysium is a RPG by every legitime metric.
    - The creators said is a RPG.
    - It fills the requirements of the The Greater General Codex Theory of 'What is an RPG?'

     
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  16. Valky Arcane Manlet

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    That's it, we're done here folks! I'll be here all week.
     
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  17. Will Zurmacht Educated

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    [Volition]: This is a bait thread, steer clear.
    [Esprit de Corps]: Specifically, it's a bait thread designed to stoke 'dexian tribalism and reflexive contrarianism.
    [Empathy]: Who hurt them? Where do these cries from the heart for attention come from?
    [Drama]: Actually this thread is a good idea. Reactionary anti-Disco wreckers will decloak, corral themselves into one thread, and dance for our amusement.
     
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  18. Swigen Savant

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    Have y’all tried updating your graphics card? I noticed in addition to Disco some of the other gaems you mentioned (Divinity: OS, Outer Worlds) are somewhat graphically intense and if you’re running these off of integrated graphics i can see how they’d seem pretty frustrating.
     
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  20. Grampy_Bone Arcane

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    No combat, list is invalid.
     
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    I didn't get the hype for it either. The novelty of "talk to yourself" worn off rather quickly as I realized there was no actual detective work or role playing going on. I uninstalled it and threw it in the "overhyped indie trash" bin, thankful that I did not pay for it.
     
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  23. ItsChon Resident Zoomer Patron

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    Not even close but okay.
    This is a fair knock as the C&C aspect of the game should definitely have been cranked up.
    This is a stupid point. The only game I can think of with the same/more amount of necessary skill checks to advance to the plot is AoD. Just because skill checks are repeatable doesn't mean progression is rail-roaded, nor are repeatable skill checks necessarily a bad thing. If a game doesn't get any flak for not having a bunch of skill checks or requirements to complete a task, how is it fair that a game that has these skill checks/requirements (albeit with plenty of ways to circumvent them) can be.
    Debateable. I found the ending very cathartic and thought it ended on a resounding high note.
    Disco Elysium's story is one of the best RPG stories ever, so it would have been a hit with story-fags regardless of the era it was released in.
    By saying shit like this, you completely invalidate any valid criticisms you might have regarding the game (criticisms I'm open too). I'm one of the more classical conservative people on this forum, with a vehement dislike of all the things you've cited above. While the development team clearly has retarded beliefs, since when have we, an RPG forum, cared about that? You sound like all the REEEset Era and RPG Watch retards railing about JarlFrank being a Nazi, and demanding he get removed from the development team of Realms Beyond.
    Again a fair point. Though there are some exceptions, the game as a whole could definitely use more C&C.
    Not true at all. I can't remember if you played the game, but if you didn't you're talking out your ass, and if you did, you're butthurt and clearly misunderstood large sections of the game.
    More shit.

    TL;DR, Jenkem makes a good point regarding the lack of C&C in DE, which is something that has already been mentioned and talked about ad nauseum. The rest of his diatribe is some bullshit not worth reading. This thread would have been better if he said, "DE has no combat, therefore it's a shit game". I wouldn't have been able to argue with him if he said that.
     
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  24. Belegarsson Think about hairy dwarfs all the time ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Patron

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    Gosh I never felt better for enjoying a great, memorable game without caring if it fits the definition of a genre or not.
     
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  25. Valky Arcane Manlet

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    It barely fits the definition of a game.
     
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