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Decline Now that the dust has settled, can we admit that Disco Elysium is decline?

Blaine

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If you are an insecure ideologue who feels uncomfortable outside your echo chamber, you’ll find something in the game to trigger you.

If you’re a relatively rational human being, you’ll see that all political commentary in the game is tongue in cheek and there are no favorites being played.

While that may be true, the shoe is rarely on the other foot for progressives, since the overwhelming majority of Western computer game developers are progressives themselves.

In other words, if you're progressive, you almost certainly don't know what it's like to have an opposing ideology constantly shoehorned into your computer games. It's understandable (although unfortunate) that this systematic, zealous preachiness may cause some conservative-minded people to overreact to perceived shoehorning. In addition, progressives frequently downplay or outright deny the existence of said ideological shoehorning, which doesn't help matters. (For example, if half or more of a game's portrayed cast are gay or queer for no reason other than muh inclusiveness, that is an indisputable sign of ideological shoehorning.)

As for DE itself, it's impossible for me to know whether conservative posters are overreacting or if progressive posters are being delusional/deceitful, since I haven't played it yet; but I'm an excellent judge of such things, so I'm sure I'll be revisiting this thread at some point in the future.
 

Deflowerer

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How do post-communist estonians become socialist anyway?

Being a poet or a literati doesn't pay the bills like it did in Soviet times.

Or well, it does, but even skilled working class does better than you, unlike in Soviet times where you could lord over the proletariat with your pen.
 

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Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Codex Year of the Donut Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
If you are an insecure ideologue who feels uncomfortable outside your echo chamber, you’ll find something in the game to trigger you.

If you’re a relatively rational human being, you’ll see that all political commentary in the game is tongue in cheek and there are no favorites being played.

While that may be true, the shoe is rarely on the other foot for progressives, since the overwhelming majority of Western computer game developers are progressives themselves.

In other words, if you're progressive, you almost certainly don't know what it's like to have an opposing ideology constantly shoehorned into your computer games. It's understandable (although unfortunate) that this systematic, zealous preachiness may cause some conservative-minded people to overreact to perceived shoehorning. In addition, progressives frequently downplay or outright deny the existence of said ideological shoehorning, which doesn't help matters. (For example, if half or more of a game's portrayed cast are gay or queer for no reason other than muh inclusiveness, that is an indisputable sign of ideological shoehorning.)

As for DE itself, it's impossible for me to know whether conservative posters are overreacting or if progressive posters are being delusional/deceitful, since I haven't played it yet; but I'm an excellent judge of such things, so I'm sure I'll be revisiting this thread at some point in the future.

The only games that kinda fits the description are historical games, strategy and so on. Even then they are mostly non-political outside of their historical context. But I guess not having LGBT soldiers in your confederate army could be considered pandering to the right nowadays :)
 

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I'm an excellent judge of such things, so I'm sure I'll be revisiting this thread at some point in the future.

I look forward to having another agenda-free poster confirm my statement, comrade.

In all seriousness, I’m not a “progressive” or a commie and generally don’t believe that anyone could just naturally agree with a pre-defined set of ideological beliefs all the time. The whole identifying as right or left thing is nonsensical as far as I’m concerned. So seeing a good game trashed by people whining about “muh assigned beliefs” is extra annoying to me. The game is going to poke fun at whatever political options you click on so if you click on the same thing all the time you’ll see that one thing trashed but it doesn’t mean the game is pushing anything else.
 

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If you are an insecure ideologue who feels uncomfortable outside your echo chamber, you’ll find something in the game to trigger you.

If you’re a relatively rational human being, you’ll see that all political commentary in the game is tongue in cheek and there are no favorites being played.

While that may be true, the shoe is rarely on the other foot for progressives, since the overwhelming majority of Western computer game developers are progressives themselves.

In other words, if you're progressive, you almost certainly don't know what it's like to have an opposing ideology constantly shoehorned into your computer games. It's understandable (although unfortunate) that this systematic, zealous preachiness may cause some conservative-minded people to overreact to perceived shoehorning. In addition, progressives frequently downplay or outright deny the existence of said ideological shoehorning, which doesn't help matters. (For example, if half or more of a game's portrayed cast are gay or queer for no reason other than muh inclusiveness, that is an indisputable sign of ideological shoehorning.)

As for DE itself, it's impossible for me to know whether conservative posters are overreacting or if progressive posters are being delusional/deceitful, since I haven't played it yet; but I'm an excellent judge of such things, so I'm sure I'll be revisiting this thread at some point in the future.

Wrong. You can be a progressive / liberal broadly speaking and still find, say, YOU MUST DECLARE YOUR PRONOUNS obnoxious and stupid. It's easy to talk shit about screaming Twitter people who say everybody is a cryptofascist - just like it's easy to unfairly shoehorn all conservatives as racists or something.

Wait, what am I saying? You can't be wrong, Blaine. You are an "excellent judge of such things". I'm just a poor child of the Enlightenment, which taught me to question my own Reason as much as I question others.
 

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But I thought the Right's latest argument was that the Enlightenment = Western civilisation = good and the "radical libtards" are stupid to fuck the Enlightenment beccause of their stupid white guilt! Are YOU a crypto-radical libtard??

Just another example of oversensitive manchilds who get triggered by whatever laundry list of words they don't approve of this week.
 
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Just another example of oversensitive manchilds who get triggered by whatever laundry list of words they don't approve of this week.
If you are a more traditional liberal, your traditional liberalism has a direct logical progression to current liberalism - this tranny stuff is what you eventually get when you put equality and liberty, both of which have deconstructionist tendencies on a pedestal above the other values. (since all stereotypes and hierarchies, such as the statement ''men and women are inherently different'' defy equality and liberty)
And the nonracist conservatives you mentioned are also on a slippery slope, since they will get outvoted by the immigrants they are so complacent about.
And then lastly the Enlightenment contains multiple irrational dogmas, so I really go triggered manchild mode when I hear it used as a standard of critical thinking.
 
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lol when even kotaku knows more about rpgs than codexers

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toro

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87 votes for Jenkem "Disco Elysium is just a shitty CYOA"

butthurt 16
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58 votes from animals, degenerates and other subhumans.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
Brofist 59
Agree 15
Yes 2
Informative 2
Prestigious 1
Salute 1
Interesting 1
Sweat gathers upon my brow, let me dab it 1
When words are not enough 1
:M 1
honk honk! 2
Merry Christmas! 1

87 votes for Jenkem "Disco Elysium is just a shitty CYOA"

butthurt 16
Shit 10
Disagree 9
retadred 7
No 4
STOP! posting 3
/facepalm/ 3
Edgy 2
meh 2
FAKE NEWS 2

58 votes from animals, degenerates and other subhumans.
Half those people that gave positive rtings to that post gave positive ratings to pro-DE posts. Whatever you say though.
 

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I was wondering about what happens if you get to day six without making any progress toward solving the case. Instead of playing the game again (I deleted it after one playthrough), I turned to Google. This is what I found:

Time wasting has diminishing returns, from what I've observed. I think if you stand still and do absolutely nothing you may be able to make a small amount of time pass, and if you keep making Kim repeat his dialog trees over and over you can painstakingly pass ten minutes, but the less progress you've made the more time will slow down.

In other words, it is impossible to get to day six without making progress on the case, since time will slow. If this is true, this means that there actually is no time constraint in the game, but only an illusion of a time constraint. IMO, this would be a bad thing. Can anyone confirm this?
 

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I'm not reinstalling the game to find out, but I'm pretty sure time doesn't pass if you stand still, and it doesn't pass if you revisit old dialogue topics, so at a certain point you actually have to advance the case in order to advance time.
 

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I'm not reinstalling the game to find out, but I'm pretty sure time doesn't pass if you stand still, and it doesn't pass if you revisit old dialogue topics, so at a certain point you actually have to advance the case in order to advance time.

That's correct. And I would argue that the time mechanic in Disco is more about pacing the game - thinking about your course of actions in a more 'realistic' or at least more cohesive way, sometimes having nice moments like returning to your room to confront The Look again or having a cig with Kim. Nobody's ever going to run out of time to do quests.
 

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A man walks into a bar, waves to the bartender and says "listen, can I use the restroom? I have a horrible diarrhea."

Bartender nods and says "Welcome to RPG Codex".
 

Zed Duke of Banville

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In other words, it is impossible to get to day six without making progress on the case, since time will slow. If this is true, this means that there actually is no time constraint in the game, but only an illusion of a time constraint. IMO, this would be a bad thing. Can anyone confirm this?
I'm not reinstalling the game to find out, but I'm pretty sure time doesn't pass if you stand still, and it doesn't pass if you revisit old dialogue topics, so at a certain point you actually have to advance the case in order to advance time.
You can make time pass indefinitely by repeatedly re-reading the same book, which just requires the relatively small amount of money needed to buy any one of those available from the bookstore. No advancement of the case required. :M
 

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You can make time pass indefinitely by repeatedly re-reading the same book, which just requires the relatively small amount of money needed to buy any one of those available from the bookstore. No advancement of the case required. :M
Using a feature designed solely to skip the time is besides the point though.
 

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It is almost like creativity (God) and communism (death) clashed in some kind of game development battle during the span of development of this game, I guess a lot of games go through that.

I do not know who won because I have not played the game and have seen only a few screenshots and some posts (a fuckton if you count noninformative ones).

To find out who won, we must ask if it is fun?
 

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