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Decline Now that the dust has settled, can we admit that Disco Elysium is decline?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Jenkem, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. Blaine Cis-Het Oppressor Patron

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    While that may be true, the shoe is rarely on the other foot for progressives, since the overwhelming majority of Western computer game developers are progressives themselves.

    In other words, if you're progressive, you almost certainly don't know what it's like to have an opposing ideology constantly shoehorned into your computer games. It's understandable (although unfortunate) that this systematic, zealous preachiness may cause some conservative-minded people to overreact to perceived shoehorning. In addition, progressives frequently downplay or outright deny the existence of said ideological shoehorning, which doesn't help matters. (For example, if half or more of a game's portrayed cast are gay or queer for no reason other than muh inclusiveness, that is an indisputable sign of ideological shoehorning.)

    As for DE itself, it's impossible for me to know whether conservative posters are overreacting or if progressive posters are being delusional/deceitful, since I haven't played it yet; but I'm an excellent judge of such things, so I'm sure I'll be revisiting this thread at some point in the future.
     
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  2. Deflowerer Arcane

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    Being a poet or a literati doesn't pay the bills like it did in Soviet times.

    Or well, it does, but even skilled working class does better than you, unlike in Soviet times where you could lord over the proletariat with your pen.
     
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  3. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2
    The only games that kinda fits the description are historical games, strategy and so on. Even then they are mostly non-political outside of their historical context. But I guess not having LGBT soldiers in your confederate army could be considered pandering to the right nowadays :)
     
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  4. Saduj Arcane

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    I look forward to having another agenda-free poster confirm my statement, comrade.

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    In all seriousness, I’m not a “progressive” or a commie and generally don’t believe that anyone could just naturally agree with a pre-defined set of ideological beliefs all the time. The whole identifying as right or left thing is nonsensical as far as I’m concerned. So seeing a good game trashed by people whining about “muh assigned beliefs” is extra annoying to me. The game is going to poke fun at whatever political options you click on so if you click on the same thing all the time you’ll see that one thing trashed but it doesn’t mean the game is pushing anything else.
     
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  5. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Wrong. You can be a progressive / liberal broadly speaking and still find, say, YOU MUST DECLARE YOUR PRONOUNS obnoxious and stupid. It's easy to talk shit about screaming Twitter people who say everybody is a cryptofascist - just like it's easy to unfairly shoehorn all conservatives as racists or something.

    Wait, what am I saying? You can't be wrong, Blaine. You are an "excellent judge of such things". I'm just a poor child of the Enlightenment, which taught me to question my own Reason as much as I question others.
     
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  6. BING XI LAO Age of Wonders fanboy Patron

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    aka aa radical libtard cultist. Fuck the Enlightenment.
     
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  7. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    But I thought the Right's latest argument was that the Enlightenment = Western civilisation = good and the "radical libtards" are stupid to fuck the Enlightenment beccause of their stupid white guilt! Are YOU a crypto-radical libtard??

    Just another example of oversensitive manchilds who get triggered by whatever laundry list of words they don't approve of this week.
     
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  8. Hóngwèibīng Arcane Vatnik

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    More like the downfall of the latter, comrade))
     
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  9. BING XI LAO Age of Wonders fanboy Patron

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    If you are a more traditional liberal, your traditional liberalism has a direct logical progression to current liberalism - this tranny stuff is what you eventually get when you put equality and liberty, both of which have deconstructionist tendencies on a pedestal above the other values. (since all stereotypes and hierarchies, such as the statement ''men and women are inherently different'' defy equality and liberty)
    And the nonracist conservatives you mentioned are also on a slippery slope, since they will get outvoted by the immigrants they are so complacent about.
    And then lastly the Enlightenment contains multiple irrational dogmas, so I really go triggered manchild mode when I hear it used as a standard of critical thinking.
     
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  10. Tito Anic Arcane Shitposter

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    Jenkem, you fucking fagot, i admit you are Decline! Happy New Year!
     
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  11. aweigh Arcane

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    lol when even kotaku knows more about rpgs than codexers

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    87 votes for Jenkem "Disco Elysium is just a shitty CYOA"

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    58 votes from animals, degenerates and other subhumans.
     
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  13. Trashos Arcane

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    "Different" does not necessarily mean "non-equal". Where did this come from?
     
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    Different does necessarily mean non-equal.
     
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  15. ItsChon Resident Zoomer Patron

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    Half those people that gave positive rtings to that post gave positive ratings to pro-DE posts. Whatever you say though.
     
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  16. Harthwain Cipher

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    Different means different. But different isn't the same as worse.
     
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  17. buffalo bill Prophet

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    I was wondering about what happens if you get to day six without making any progress toward solving the case. Instead of playing the game again (I deleted it after one playthrough), I turned to Google. This is what I found:

    In other words, it is impossible to get to day six without making progress on the case, since time will slow. If this is true, this means that there actually is no time constraint in the game, but only an illusion of a time constraint. IMO, this would be a bad thing. Can anyone confirm this?
     
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  18. Butter Arcane

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    I'm not reinstalling the game to find out, but I'm pretty sure time doesn't pass if you stand still, and it doesn't pass if you revisit old dialogue topics, so at a certain point you actually have to advance the case in order to advance time.
     
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  19. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    That's correct. And I would argue that the time mechanic in Disco is more about pacing the game - thinking about your course of actions in a more 'realistic' or at least more cohesive way, sometimes having nice moments like returning to your room to confront The Look again or having a cig with Kim. Nobody's ever going to run out of time to do quests.
     
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  20. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    Buy on discount in a few years maybe?
     
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  21. Jenkem Self-Ejected Patron

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    Make the Codex Great Again!
    If you feel like playing it then just buy it now. Or pirate it.
     
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    A man walks into a bar, waves to the bartender and says "listen, can I use the restroom? I have a horrible diarrhea."

    Bartender nods and says "Welcome to RPG Codex".
     
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  23. Zed Duke of Banville Zo Kath Ra Patron

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    You can make time pass indefinitely by repeatedly re-reading the same book, which just requires the relatively small amount of money needed to buy any one of those available from the bookstore. No advancement of the case required. :M
     
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  24. Harthwain Cipher

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    Using a feature designed solely to skip the time is besides the point though.
     
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  25. puur prutswerk Prophet Patron

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    It is almost like creativity (God) and communism (death) clashed in some kind of game development battle during the span of development of this game, I guess a lot of games go through that.

    I do not know who won because I have not played the game and have seen only a few screenshots and some posts (a fuckton if you count noninformative ones).

    To find out who won, we must ask if it is fun?
     
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