If this doesn't move on soon I'm going to start rounding up animals to sacrifice to Odin in the hopes that it might help. I'm serious, think of the kittens. Don't make me do it.
If this doesn't move on soon I'm going to start rounding up animals to sacrifice to Odin in the hopes that it might help. I'm serious, think of the kittens. Don't make me do it.
I had this properly monocled imperial sequence written up very prettily, but I lost it to a system crash. Anyway, no bellicose pontificaters or kitten violence necessary, although the rest of this weekend looks pretty bad. I'll aim for early-mid next week.
Yes, that one is a bit baffling: It's perfectly okay to be Emperor of Somethings, King of Everything; it's perfectly okay to be Duke Of Everything; but it's not okay to be King/Emperor of Somethings, Duke of More Than Two Things. Why are Duchies somehow magical?
Incidentally, I wonder how playable it is to be simply Baron Of Nearly Everything and how well you can operate at 0% demesne efficency, preventing revolts of the few underlings you have by keeping them permanently imprisoned. Since you are massively hated anyway, you could do all of the Tyrannical things you want.
There weren't enough long-running multikings to have enough to model at that level, though, so Paradox doesn't even try--once you hit that level, you are off the historical grid.
Well, beats me why duchies are magical, then.
Well, this mostly covers why there ISN'T a multikingdom penalty, anyway, since otherwise it would be impossible to have Spain, but still doesn't adequately explain the magical properties of Duchies, and why it is acceptable to be Duke of Everything as long as you are not King/Emperor of anything, but instantly NOT okay when you change nothing except declaring yourself King.Yeah, now that I think about it, my earlier statement was just wrong. (There was also Sweden and Finland, and later the Kalmar Union. And Hungary and Croatia were a union for most of the medieval age. And the HRE and Sicily, too. And the HRE itself was arguably a multikingdom. And there was early Poland-Lithuania, and possibly some other things I'm forgetting.) Well, beats me why duchies are magical, then.
Well, this mostly covers why there ISN'T a multikingdom penalty, anyway, since otherwise it would be impossible to have Spain, but still doesn't adequately explain the magical properties of Duchies, and why it is acceptable to be Duke of Everything as long as you are not King/Emperor of anything, but instantly NOT okay when you change nothing except declaring yourself King.Yeah, now that I think about it, my earlier statement was just wrong. (There was also Sweden and Finland, and later the Kalmar Union. And Hungary and Croatia were a union for most of the medieval age. And the HRE and Sicily, too. And the HRE itself was arguably a multikingdom. And there was early Poland-Lithuania, and possibly some other things I'm forgetting.) Well, beats me why duchies are magical, then.
.....well, yeah that would work too, only problem is that i would prob loose a couple of provinces more then the ones i want to loose if that path is taken.
i may dwarf the HRE in landmass, but i can only field half of their total number of troops, and think of the vassalage hell i would sink down into if i would come out victorious from such an endevour.
funny thing is i actually had a Claim the Whole Thing casus belli on the HRE back when i invaded Denmark.
It is fun... in its own way...
This is the situation I'm in: with ~1.8k holdings, I command 23 vassal kings and hold ~20 king titles myself (I think 4 of them titular), I actually used the level 2 speed almost all the time, timing my actions days after the last one finished (plots, vassalage, wars, siege rush), and even when I want to speed up there will most likely be ~3 rebellion popups every month, or disease outbreak... Score-wise, I'm already 160k, way "above the Capet house", but the micromanagement hell...
Now that I think of it, I guess I spent a majority of my time distributing demense to vassals...
Oh, did I mention that all the vassal kings are of my dynasty? In fact, all vassal dukes & kings, both direct, and indirect, are of my dynasty. My dynasty has almost 900 members & 680 of them are still alive... 5k family prestige, and all my vassals are entangled in alliance web, so if one vassal declares war (such as holy war) it is equivalent to be in war with half of my country...
So I searched google images for "magic duchies" and it produced this handy diagram which I feel adequately explains everything:Well, beats me why duchies are magical, then.
well that wont be necessary anymore, i got a "i need your vote on a heir" from the Emperor (i get these every now and then) and after checking the nominee list i noticed that i was third in line of the Throne of HRE (no idea there either, i know i LOL voted for my self years ago..), so after some knifes in the dark and poison in the food, Torbjörn II The Conquerer of house Borin was elected Imperator Romanus Sacer.
Well, I personally never had any problems and I never hand out duchies to dynasty members. As long as there isn't some Jarl with like 4 or 5 Duchy titles, everything goes according to plan.
Didn't know about the penalty outside of elective, would have made more sense if it only existed there, since having too many votes based on ducal titles would really piss off those who only have a single vote.
Except it doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense since you could, say, create no Dukes and just have counts everywhere, or be a Duke of Everything, and have the bitching and moaning start suddenly just for acquiring yourself a titular Kingship. The penalty for "Too Many Elector Titles" already exists, anyway. If anything, being a massive Multiheaded Duke is actually better for your prestige count, even though this outcome is, on a historical level, pretty absurd.I guess the penalty arises from what Ulminati mentioned, a hypothetical "tyrant" king...
Well, being a tyrant king ain't that useful anyway, since you can't really hold more stuff than your demesne allows, unless you want thieves guilds and other stuff popping up everywhere. I often hand out ducal titles over the land I hold myself, and I only have to shut them up that they won't get my precious counties like once every two or three years. My Viking empire never was so big that I had as many popups as you describe though.
Dunno if it ever happened to you, but the golden horde just got roflstomped by the Ilkhanate in my game, meaning their first invasion is stuck at -68% and they don't own a single county anywhere. Thought that was nigh impossible with their doomstacks but apparently they were able to hold it off.
What sucks the most though is that everytime I'm close to creating the kingdom of Rus with only one or two counties missing, it's been 100years since the defloration of duchy xyz, meaning they go over to the de jure kingdom of sweden.
Will be interesting to see how Sword of Islam impacts that game