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On graphics and the willpower to withstand it.

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The Nameless Pun

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Everything begins in a very unexpected way. One day you are playing Skyrim or Mass Effect, the next you feel that there's something off, there is a void, a sense of incompleteness and bewilderment, like being lost. So you discover a new world, with new rules. Torment and the Infinity, with all the other good things they've brought. And a voice, a sensation, that tells you: 'we need to go deeper'. It's basically Inception. So, you end up playing Darklands, 23 years after its release, after you've known only AAA titles that like so much to call themselves rpgs. And then I saw the Exile series from Jeff Vogel. I can't move. 2D graphics. The character is flat on its back crawling in order to move to its next objective. One can only wonder how it is possible to have a normal discussion with someone without either noticing the absurdity of the situation. I almost was at the point of removing my eyeballs and extend them on the palm of may hands to the winds, shouting: 'Liberate tutemet ex inferis' like the freaking guy from the movie Event Horizon, but no, nothing so choreographic happened. Instead, I remained there, nailed to the chair, like a steaming pile of shit freshly defecated from the scabby ass of a stray dog, watching the screen, speechless, for the total lack on my part of any kind of predictive acuity to let me understand that somewhere there would have been a game with a worse graphic than Darklands. Which is strange since I had already seen screenshots of the SSI games. The funny thing is that in a curious coincidence, apparently my mind must have removed the thing in an amazing act of mercy towards my frail psyche and of blind naivety for the complete, undeniable lack of self-awareness. And here I am, negating myself a potentially valid experience because I lack the necessary resistance to withstand such a mediocre graphic. Well, I admit it, for me graphics is important. I have let myself getting infected by the cult of the dark gods of decline and I've let the subtle temptations
insinuate my mind and root in the folds of my brain like fly larvas laid down in the bleeding wounds of an animal. I love isometric graphics, I feel an almost orgasmic sense of integrity and organic completeness, but too much is too much. Please, help me, I cannot sleep at night anymore, this contradiction is driving me crazy, it's devouring me from the inside, it's like the discovery of irrational numbers by the Pythagoreans, with the only difference that their sect exploded, while I'm still whole, but my mind is wounded, oh yes, more than wounded, shattered in a thousand splinters like the fragments of Khaine after being destroyed by Slaanesh. Slaanesh, the god of excess and spiritual corruption, such an excellent example. There will never be an end. Almighty gods of the ancient world, will there ever be a limit to the obstacles that my patience must endure? Endure, in enduring grow strong. Bullshit. I feel like a pornstar forced to swallow the sperm of thirty men after a gangbang scene, and with each sip I'm a step closer to vomiting everything I've been drinking. Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Maybe for ever, there will never be an end, it's my torment, by now my willpower is stretched like a violin string, like my willing suspension of disbelief when I watch Star Wars movies and all I need is a pixel, just one more pixel in the wrong spot before everything collapses in a thunderous roar.
What is your situation? What is your unsurmountable limit in terms of graphics? Give me some help, unless you consider me worthy of being sent to a quick pilgrimage to the furnace of rpg sinners guilty of having been seduced by the dark side of graphics.
 

zwanzig_zwoelf

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I can't play Skyrim or Mass Effect or Dragon Age because graphics are too detailed and too much is on the screen, how am I supposed to imagine things during gameplay, huh?
 

Zed

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What is your situation? What is your unsurmountable limit in terms of graphics? Give me some help, unless you consider me worthy of being sent to a quick pilgrimage to the furnace of rpg sinners guilty of having been seduced by the dark side of graphics.
I appreciate the graphics of older games, when it's 2D and artistic. There are some serious drawbacks though. In particular, I find reading low-res fonts to take a strain on the eyes.

By the way, you might want to consider using paragraphs in your text.
 

Ayreos

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Bad graphics and low resolution graphics are different things. Games like star control 2 or Albion look dated now, but their visuals are far more pleasant and memorable than what you get in Mass Effect of Skyrim. Incidentally, vanilla Skyrim looks like it's made of poor quality chinese plastic, while Mass Effect is like someone just bought all the models in a "Zbrush thread: post aliens you made you would sleep with" and made a mediocre shooter around them. Games like Exile, you shouldn't even look at the graphics. They're just there to show you what is actually going on as you're supposed to have the actual Graphics in your mind. If you really need better representations, i read on Wikipedia Avernum was actually a remake of those games.

Frankly, if you play such minimalistic games and are off-put by the graphics, you're simply not playing them correctly. Look at dwarf fortress and tell me the graphics are even a factor. Incidentally, if you put the exhausted Medieval graphical styles of The Witcher or Dragon Age above the lovingly crafted ones in the Infinity Engine games, the earrly Fallout games or even Morrowind, you just have no taste in art.

tl;dr: There is no "limit in terms of Graphics" and no stupid questions, only stupid people.
 

Rahdulan

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Has ENTER somehow offended you, The Nameless Pun?

My problem with older games has less to do with graphics and more with taking modern QoL improvements in games for granted so I need a period of acclimation before turning back my brain to how things were.
 

zwanzig_zwoelf

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One day you're playing shit, the other day you're not playing shit, yet you got shit addiction and cancer from playing shit and therefore the only way to cleanse your soul is by sacrificing your butthole to Moloch.
 

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Older Fallouts have abyssmal graphics but are still good games. That said I don't mind good sfx, especially lately. Of course I can play a text-based game, if it's really good, so...
 

stray

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Artwork is more important to me. I like modern graphics, but sometimes the art still sucks. There's little character to it.

Having both is the best option, but I can at least count on 2D almost being demanded to hold up on just it's artwork alone.
 

Keppo

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Older Fallouts have abyssmal graphics but are still good games. That said I don't mind good sfx, especially lately. Of course I can play a text-based game, if it's really good, so...

Atmospheric graphic/art direction is more important than technical bullshit with some next gen features. IMO Fallout 1, Witcher 1 or Gothic 1 for example looks fantastic and super atmospheric even today cause artistic direction is top notch.. Who cares about global illumination or other useless shit. DOnt u dare shitting on Fallout graphic.
 

Krraloth

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Everything begins in a very unexpected way. One day you are playing Skyrim or Mass Effect, the next you feel that there's something off, there is a void, a sense of incompleteness and bewilderment, like being lost. So you discover a new world, with new rules. Torment and the Infinity, with all the other good things they've brought. And a voice, a sensation, that tells you: 'we need to go deeper'. It's basically Inception. So, you end up playing Darklands, 23 years after its release, after you've known only AAA titles that like so much to call themselves rpgs. And then I saw the Exile series from Jeff Vogel. I can't move. 2D graphics. The character is flat on its back crawling in order to move to its next objective. One can only wonder how it is possible to have a normal discussion with someone without either noticing the absurdity of the situation. I almost was at the point of removing my eyeballs and extend them on the palm of may hands to the winds, shouting: 'Liberate tutemet ex inferis' like the freaking guy from the movie Event Horizon, but no, nothing so choreographic happened. Instead, I remained there, nailed to the chair, like a steaming pile of shit freshly defecated from the scabby ass of a stray dog, watching the screen, speechless, for the total lack on my part of any kind of predictive acuity to let me understand that somewhere there would have been a game with a worse graphic than Darklands. Which is strange since I had already seen screenshots of the SSI games. The funny thing is that in a curious coincidence, apparently my mind must have removed the thing in an amazing act of mercy towards my frail psyche and of blind naivety for the complete, undeniable lack of self-awareness. And here I am, negating myself a potentially valid experience because I lack the necessary resistance to withstand such a mediocre graphic. Well, I admit it, for me graphics is important. I have let myself getting infected by the cult of the dark gods of decline and I've let the subtle temptations
insinuate my mind and root in the folds of my brain like fly larvas laid down in the bleeding wounds of an animal. I love isometric graphics, I feel an almost orgasmic sense of integrity and organic completeness, but too much is too much. Please, help me, I cannot sleep at night anymore, this contradiction is driving me crazy, it's devouring me from the inside, it's like the discovery of irrational numbers by the Pythagoreans, with the only difference that their sect exploded, while I'm still whole, but my mind is wounded, oh yes, more than wounded, shattered in a thousand splinters like the fragments of Khaine after being destroyed by Slaanesh. Slaanesh, the god of excess and spiritual corruption, such an excellent example. There will never be an end. Almighty gods of the ancient world, will there ever be a limit to the obstacles that my patience must endure? Endure, in enduring grow strong. Bullshit. I feel like a pornstar forced to swallow the sperm of thirty men after a gangbang scene, and with each sip I'm a step closer to vomiting everything I've been drinking. Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Maybe for ever, there will never be an end, it's my torment, by now my willpower is stretched like a violin string, like my willing suspension of disbelief when I watch Star Wars movies and all I need is a pixel, just one more pixel in the wrong spot before everything collapses in a thunderous roar.
What is your situation? What is your unsurmountable limit in terms of graphics? Give me some help, unless you consider me worthy of being sent to a quick pilgrimage to the furnace of rpg sinners guilty of having been seduced by the dark side of graphics.


Spacing is my limit.
 

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the op sounded in my head like it was being read by a 400lb black woman at a slam poetry club
 

ClaviculaZ

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Nice text; the lack of paragraphs is actually quite appropriate as it accentuates the neverending maelstrom of grimmest despair that the decline inevitably brings upon our wretched souls.

I agree with some of the above posts - it mostly depends on whether or not the art direction is compatible with one's own taste. I have to admit that I've always avoided Knights of the Chalice, as I couldn't stomach the style of the game - also, lots of apparently very good JRPGs. On the other hand, Darklands, Betrayal at Krondor, Fallout etc. look perfectly fine to me.
 
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For me, it has always been like a sort of battle against myself: I play something, than I force myself to play something older, overcoming the sense of rejection that I have. It is a very slow process, and quite strenuous, but when I arrive at the point of enjoying something for its content and not its graphical appeal, I feel really good, like having achieved something, maybe a higher level of enlightenment. Furthermore, I have a personal grudge against paragaphs, they've ruined my childhood, I had to go to the therapist for over nine years and as you can see the results are very poor. I don't know what I'm saying, I'm just an Italian asshole pretending to speak English.
 

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Older Fallouts have abyssmal graphics
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Atmospheric graphic/art direction is more important than technical bullshit with some next gen features. IMO Fallout 1, Witcher 1 or Gothic 1 for example looks fantastic and super atmospheric even today cause artistic direction is top notch.. Who cares about global illumination or other useless shit. DOnt u dare shitting on Fallout graphic.

There's atmosphere and then there's a feeling that you're playing a badly aged (graphically) game. Music in Fallout is awesome. Storyline is top notch. Dialogues, player interactions, world details are pure sex. Graphics however are bad and that's coming from someone who mocks graphic whores with a passion.
 

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