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Once more into the breach! (EU3 MP thread)

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by MasterSmithFandango, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    I might join, assuming you guys are willing to consider some of the minor modding I made (namely a base tax improvement decision for shitty provinces in Western Europe for small countries for cash, and an alternative flag for Scandinavia; also an improvement to the Hackapells decision because it's ridiculously underpowered considering history, it'd give Discipline now as well). The other part depends on what time it is.

    EDIT: I also have a small alternate history path modded in for Finland if anyone wants that to occur. Basically it's just a decision chain if vassal status is broken that gives a fighting chance against all the neighbours (through the Hackapell decision and slight improvements to base tax), and a mission chain for conquering the neighbouring Finno-Ugric areas and decisions for improving them slightly afterwards (+ renaming). If Sweden isn't absolutely wanted instead, I would like to play as the Holy Karelian Emperor (halp needed for that).
     
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  2. Snefix Novice

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    This should get interesting with time zones. I'm in GMT+9. :?
     
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  3. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    Since my timezone is no mystery, I'll just ask again about whether or not we'll be using the limited modding I've made or not. And of course, are we starting with Grand Campaign or with Fall of Byzantium. I'd also be much more comfortable being the less important modded Finland (setting up the release should be easy, with Fall of Byzantium someone just needs to set up the opening day to have Sweden give Release as a peace offer to Danish). This is due to the fact I'd be much more on the level of fighting some Russian AI mongrels with helping hand from big mean Westerners/Potatoes. Sweden->Scandinavia would be a bit too big of a role with my playing skills, I think. I'd much rather conquer/buy Olonets, Ingria, Livland and Estonia and then happily build up Finnic prosperity, maybe someday pushing Eastern expansion (though Novgorod is a province ASAP I definately want to boost my national defense and economy, if anyone plays Muscovy or Potato I'm very amiable for sharing Northern Russia in their favour).


    And yes, as long as the timezone is good, I'm in. I've been practising (and playtesting my stuff) for this.

    Anyway, modding I've done for now:

    The Finland stuff, strictly ahistorical based around entirely on the idea if Swedish rule had been broken before eradication of pre-Christian identity was complete. Basically just a decision that ups Finland on par with the rest of Scandinavia in base tax, sets up a ruling house as Fornjótr, capital at Viborg, lots of names for generals/rulers/boats/whatnot, missions involving conquering Olonets, Ingria and Estonia, decisions for switching cultural identity (while slightly upping base tax, by one in most cases, modded in Livonian culture for this) in said places in exchange for gold and that's it. Default national ideas also changed for better survival against The Swede (he starts war, he fuels war!), relevant only in later starts.

    More relevant stuff are the two balance changes I made, in the form of provincial decisions:

    1) A Western European country can send colonists to provinces with less than 5000 population to raise the population by 200. Next to no effect, but fun.

    2) A Western European country with less than 16 provinces can use 100 ducats + 1 magistrate to upgrade the base tax of any province it has by 1, as long as the province has less than 5 base tax.

    No map files or any other files were changed, with the exception of the finland.txt file in the country folder. All of the stuff is done by new files.
     
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  4. Reject_666_6 Arcane

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    Yeah how about I introduce my Greater Romania Mod, where I get to start with all 40 provinces and with historical starting techs set at 1823 levels.
     
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  5. Reject_666_6 Arcane

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    Bro I don't know what bungalow you studied political science in, but the Eastern Roman Empire wasn't formed until at least 1400, by today's calendar estimates. You're better off sticking with default MMP settings and reversing the roles.
     
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  6. MasterSmithFandango Arcane

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    Yeah, mods are a pain in the ass to get coordinated, especially since we're going to have players popping up, subbing, reinstalling, etc. Fully patched DW is just easier, and MP balances itself.
     
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  7. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    Alrighty.
     
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  8. Malakal Arcane

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    Just play Sweden and LARP Greater Finland.
     
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  9. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Your mod seems interesting, though a bit of a workload. Does it need to be inserted into game files or it can be installed though mod folder? Mod folder is always better, less hassle.
     
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  10. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    Of course it could be installed in the mod folder, but it's rather small so I didn't bother going through that. Literally the only two files to be replaced is the finland.txt in the common/countries and eventmodifiers.txt in common, the rest are just new files.

    Anyway, assuming the schedule works for me I guess I'll roll Sweden or something if you guys feel you need a more skilled Sweden.

    Though could we use this sweet flag I made for Scandinavia?
     
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  11. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    You could get Venice if you don't rely on your skills. Your main holding is a island in the Adriatic, and you got a fuckhueg fleet, which means nobody but Great Powers have the capability to assault your city and fight your 80 galleys in the freakin' Adriatic.

    Your nation is pretty good at trade, and you can get a decent army up and running with some effort. Your main enemies are the Austrians, Hungarians, Ottomans and Genovese, and to reach you, they must go though the fleet.
     
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  12. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    I'd not rather get involved down there, rather busy. And with Venice I would be out of the royal marriage game. Even with Sweden the formation of Scandinavia will put me uncomfortably close to big power games.

    EDIT: Anyway, I removed the use of Livonian culture to minimize the number of altered files to two, in case we would try using my little mod.

    And in case someone misunderstood and thought I made something akin to that Romania thing there, not at all. First of all, no map alteration has been done, so release would have to happen in the first place. Secondly, the base tax decision is there to do two things gameplay-wise: Make it possible to defend against Sweden or Novgorod and build up something (and it doesn't raise the force limit higher than what Sweden and crew have). The only decision that adds territory is what I made to further enable fighting back is one that adds Karelia and Kexholm, which gives a more defensible position and is factored into the base tax decision. The rest is missions, and decisions you can do AFTER missions to slightly improve things there (the basis here is that the areas wouldn't be treated as peripheral backwaters). The rest of the stuff is mostly just names for monarchs, leaders and ships.
     
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  13. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Seems interesting, specially the base tax boost for small nations, which seems like a nice little thing for nations full of cash and nothing to do.
    Still, I think it can only be applied if we get somebody to comb over the txt files. I'm not letting a potential cheat slip past.

    BTW, if I was one of the modificari, I would make somekind of mod focused on upgrading small, unfocused places with more decisions, events and general fun stuff. Think nations like Granada, potential rebels like Finland, Galicia and Wales, and general non-european nations.
     
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  14. Reject_666_6 Arcane

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    I realise that 90% of people drawn to Paradox games are the ultra-nationalists who finally found a game in which they could enact their wet dreams of their motherland conquering the world, but if you're going to play some niche country that has no bearing on what the major powers do, why bother playing? You'd be just an extra load on the host's CPU and your mod will just cause extra risk of synch issues.

    Anyway, EU3 is imbalanced by nature. If you want to play a game in which you're on equal terms with every other player, there's the Alternate Universe from HoI2: Armageddon. Never liked that one, though.
     
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  15. MasterSmithFandango Arcane

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    Yeah, this is one of those times where I have to say "you know, France was pretty OP historically, right?" In the experience we've had so far, when one guy starts getting to uberpowerful status, you'll find a coalition of medium powers ready to tear him down in a second. I would really prefer either a vanilla or VERY lightly modded game, simply because of how much of a pain in the ass it is to get the game started in the first place.

    As for time, maybe we should start hashing that out now. I'm pretty flexible, but I'd imagine somewhere around 8pm GMT may be the easiest to organize across timezones... that sound about right?
     
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  16. Breaking Axe Educated

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    I can do that time on a weekend, GMT +10 so it's 6am for me.
     
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  17. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    It is very lightly modded, since it for the most part only modifies .txt files. Now even more so that I removed the use of Livonian culture in a decision and replaced it with Estonian, so cultures.txt is untouched. Only two files are replaced, being the Hackapells decision modifier for Finland (+20% Discipline, -10% cavalry cost) and the finland.txt file for names and stuff.

    And actually in my latest playtest with my Finland stuff I wouldn't have gone conquering the world IF I wouldn't have gotten super-lucky and found Novgorod completely without allies being assraped by Muscovy, which allowed me to set up taking their Novgorod province itself later at my own leisure. Following that I spent a hundred years preparing for invading Muscovy with Austria. A series of lucky turns really. And I do think I'd be able to do it again and much better if a Potato player or something helped me out.




    Anyway, as far as timezones go, Sunday is a no-go for me due to my regular CthulhuTech session AND Codex Movie Night. Unless the session is by daytime or something. GMT+2 here.
     
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  18. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    So are we doing this or not?
     
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  19. MasterSmithFandango Arcane

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    Think after Christmas is the target date at some point. More input on the time would be nice, as well as to frequency of play (try for 2 sessions a week?) I'd also prefer getting the countries sorted out before-hand so it's less of a clusterfuck when we're trying to start up the game. Also, a designated host and sub-host. So volunteer, bitches!
     
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  20. MasterSmithFandango Arcane

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    And fuck you bitches, I call France.
     
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  21. Renegen Arcane

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    Yes we are, it's just that the guy who started the threads needs to start planning and guiding us around like the unruly children that we are.

    I also see that our glorious Spaghetti overlord has decided to have a free-for-all call to select a country. I think some gentlemen rules would produce an overall more positive experience.
     
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  23. Merkwürdigliebe Arcane

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    So what version of the game would we be playing? All these expansions make it quite annoying.
    I have one question any way, as I understand it the Steam version of the game is not capable of playing mulitplayer with the regular version due to different checksums, correct? If so is there a work around, or would one be forced to pirate a non DRM version and set up for multi player.

    Any way if I join I would like any of Sweden/Austria/Bohemia/Burgundy
     
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  24. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    We're playing Divine Wind, latest official patch.

    I call dibs on Venice.
     
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  25. Malakal Arcane

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    Ok then, I'll try Ottoman Empire or Castille/England. Whatever is free and necessary for balance of power.
     
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