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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by Ruchy, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. Hermit Novice

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    Thanks everyone!
     
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  2. Haplo Prophet Patron

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    Well, once per rest is only an issue on tiny maps/random encounters. It lasts very long otherwise. And in those random encounters you don't always absolutely need it.

    As for Crane Style, yeah, Defensive Fighting costs 2 AB with it (just 1 AB with all 3 feats). Much better deal then the regular -4 AB though.
    As for Combat Expertise, nothing is stopping an unarmored build from using it also. In fact I pick it at level 1 (rarely use it though).

    No bonus spell slots, true. But do you really need them, just for buffs? (only self-buffs in my case, but you could take Infusion to buff others too).
     
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  3. Ent Savant

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    Mutagen being 10 min per level is more than enough for most dungeons and it becomes 1 hour per level at lvl 14 which is pretty overkill. Also, don't forget that barkskin stacks natural armor with mutagen and also lasts for quite a long time.
     
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  4. Yosharian Magister

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    Of course it can, my point is that there are +1 AC feats that can be taken by both. It is important in this discussion. Not to mention that Dodge is superior because it leads to other useful feats such as Crane Style.

    Congrats, you have ONE feat that a Dex tanker can't use. Guess what, a Dex tanker can keep improving his AC by improving his Dex at a cost of 0 feats, whereas a Heavy Armor tanker can't do that because Heavy Armor limits your Dex bonus to AC severel. Unless he's a fighter, in which case, well, he's a Fighter, end of discussion.
     
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  5. The Avatar Pseudodragon Studios Developer

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    I'm playing a str-based vivi and it's pretty great walking around gibbing everything in one shot. AC is not as good as Dex based vivi, but damage is a lot more- at least until very late game when dual-wielding sneak attack die gets high enough. I think of the str vivi as a fighter with extra sneak attack damage and some spells.
     
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  6. Haplo Prophet Patron

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    Let's not forget better defenses and potential crit/sneak/paralysis/cold resistance.
     
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  7. Yosharian Magister

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    Combat Expertise requires 13 INT, which is absolute shit on most stat arrays for plate users.
     
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  8. Incendax Augur

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    This is true, but it is FAR more common on the main character who wants the extra skill points.
     
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  9. Ent Savant

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    Is the bug which causes bucklers to turn off slashing/fencing grace still occurring?
     
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  10. Yosharian Magister

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    Pfft 10 or 7 int is optimal.
     
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  11. Funposter Magister

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    Is it worth putting a point of INT into Amiri so she can self-cast Enlarge Person and Expeditious Retreat, after taking the level in Vivi?
     
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  12. Incendax Augur

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    Optimal for what? You can win every fight, winning every skill check is much harder.
    Explorationfag >>>> Combatfag.
     
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  13. Haplo Prophet Patron

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    Get an item or something. Plus you care so much about 1 minute buffs? Have someone else cast it. If you really want some spells, get True Strike.
     
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  14. Funposter Magister

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    Yeah I just found a headband and stuck it on her.
     
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  15. Yosharian Magister

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    That's a fair point I guess. Optimal for combat, then.
     
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  16. Lhynn Arcane

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    So im using the respec mod to respec the party into shape, keep aligments, attribute rolls and class selection more or less in place. Maybe ill turn a cleric into an inquisitor but with the same deity.

    Ive ran into a fucking wall with this cunt valerie tho. No idea what to do with her. Turning her into a pure fighter seems objectively better, tower shields are just not worth the hassle. She obviously cant be a spellcaster. Thinking of just giving her some rogue levels, changing her to finesse character and praying the sneak attack makes her not suck. Mithril full plate plus finesseable longsword seem like the way to go.


    Any suggestions?
     
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  17. ga♥ Augur

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    Make her a sorcerer for the lulz.
     
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  18. D_X Arcane Patron

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    Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy RPG Wokedex Strap Yourselves In Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Paladin of Shelyn of course.
     
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  19. Valerie is a perfect Stalwart Defender. She's got highest AC on my team by far and she can take hits with her special SD defensive stance. She's great and a core member of my group even when I shift in other characters. Gotta have that tank AC.
     
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  20. Incendax Augur

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    She rocks as a Fighter1/Knife Master or Water Kinetic Knight.
     
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    If you have the wild cards dlc, go kinetic knight. She can fill the same niche, but can get some better CC options and can target touch AC.
     
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  22. Haplo Prophet Patron

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    That's a pretty good idea.
    However note that if you're are somewhat melee focused, a KK will suck in relation to Attack of Opportunity and melee combo building with feats like Outflank and Seize the Moment.
    On the other hand, with Earth and Bouldering, she could aoe trip, providing plenty of AoOs for others with reach.
     
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  23. Gangrelrumbler Arcane Patron

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    I wanted to make a magus Eldritch Scion with Abyssal bloodline since I've noticed that many of the abilities would be very useful in melee. However later on I've noticed that Magus spellist has no summoning spells (previously I though that magus just uses Arcane spellist), which means that Abyssal summoning bonuses (DR, and Added Summoning) will be wasted until I get free Summon Monster spells later on - is that a huge issue?
     
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  24. Seari Cipher Patron

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    You take the abyssal bloodline for the strength bonuses not for summoning.
     
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  25. Haplo Prophet Patron

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    IMO skip Abyssal. Go for dragon for a little more power on elemental spells, later on wings and some Str and AC bonuses. Perhaps better yet, Arcane, for 3 extra spells from Wizard lists.

    Or just skip ES and go with one of the superior Magus archetypes: standard Magus for more casting focus and spammable spells or Sword Saint for more martial focus and tanking capability, particularly dex based.
     
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