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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Edition - now with turn-based combat

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by Elex, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. Pink Eye Monk Patron

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    WUUUT. Thanks for sharing this. I'm going have some fun with Invulnerable Rage on the DLC dungeon.
     
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  2. ArchAngel Arcane

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    What slow spell progression are you talking about? EK only loses 1 spell level. At worst you will lose 2 spell levels if you also decide to take 1 fighter level so you meet prerequisites faster.
    EK gives you better BAB, more attacks and more life and bonus feats. You are not dependant on your song to make up for your medium BAB bards get. Also you will be able to get both Weapon Specialization and Greater Weapon Focus.
    EA is a completely different class. Bards are better overall for party than Maguses. This is a buffer bard that also does as much damage with a bow as a ranger or a fighter.

    Edit: And as you said you can build a caster bard if you go full charisma and get spell focus feats. It will be decent but not as good as wizards due to not being able to go beyond lvl 6 spells and as result having lower DC of spells.
    But archer bard is also very good and gives you as much dps as a standard archer while also buffing the whole party.
    If you got a dedicated archer in the party I would go caster bard as you said but if not, this version of the bard can do both roles.
     
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  3. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Big damage numbers from Harrim rocking Destructo Aura.
     
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  4. ArchAngel Arcane

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    I must say that Thundercaller Bard is really OP. Almost nothing in the game is immune to Stun. Thunder call can be spammed like crazy, has big AoE and does good damage and stuns. This character turned so many battles into easy mode because of this ability. And in addition to this you still got all your normal bard abilities and songs lol.
     
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  5. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Bard has slow spell progression. EK gets progression of base class unless I’m mistaken. EK gives you one or two more BAB unless you’re utterly butchering your Bard like InEffect does. You get the same amount of feats, plus a wider selection, due to Bard talents. Life is negligible at best - if you’re getting hit you’re already losing and if you want extra life it’s way easier to cast an Aid spell or use Inspire Greatness than to bork your whole build.

    Comparing to Wiz is Apples and Oranges. What matters is can you land enough spells to be worth it vs plinking with your bow.

    Absolutely, especially if you focus on AoEs like Slow and use Dirge to debuff saves.
     
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  6. Pink Eye Monk Patron

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    Yeah. I used the Thundercaller a lot, back when I completed the Varnhold DLC on unfair. It was an okay bard, it brings some nice utility and offense AoE to the team.
     
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  7. ArchAngel Arcane

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    Except you are not plinking away with your bow, you do as much damage any other archer. Good Hope + Inspire Courage (+2) gives +4 damage and Arcane Strike will give you +4 damage as well. You can pick up same feats like Ranger or Fighter.
    In other words you do a lot of damage while at same time buffing your whole party and still being able to influence battles with Grease, Confusion and other spells. And due to having very good Bab (you only lose 3 bab by lvl 20 you will be hitting a lot).
    Your argument only makes sense if you consider archers bad.
     
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  8. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Im seriously considering trying it on Val for my last run and just retiring Dirge + Shatter altogether. OP.

    To me Thundercall just looks like Sonic Burst, which Bards and Clerics already get. I have a feeling your definition of good damage and mine diverge somewhat. It would be a better game if I got down to your level (and played Unfair without double damage maybe).
     
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  9. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    I’m the biggest advocate on here for archers, but no Bards aren’t close to doing Slayer/Fighter/Rogue damage from range without Studied Target/Sneaks/Weapon Training even if you butcher the whole class for a couple (and it is exactly two) BAB. It's a given that you'll be getting Courage from somewhere, so that really doesn't count.

    Your Arcane Strike comment suggests you're having the same problem InEffect did - you don't know how to keep buff and debuff songs up at the same time. You don't take Arcane Strike because at lvl 13 you start getting Swift Action songs which lets you use Lingering Preformance to keep multiple songs up at once while also moving and casting spells. Move action performance is really clunky because most of your spells are close range so you need to move a lot.

    I may try ranged Bard for that exact reason (I used one for Varnhold and it was fine), but EK is just bad news. Inspire Heroics is nuts!

    Here's what tank Bard 14 Linzi's been doing:

    Amiri 14 Pounce.jpg
     
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  10. Trashos Arcane

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    Found a belt of giant strength +6 at the barbarian merchant, while investigating the Varnhold Vanishing thing. Problem is it costs 70'000, which is about all my money. What do you guys suggest, should I?...
     
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  11. ArchAngel Arcane

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    No. Those drop like candy a bit later.
     
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  12. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    You should be getting those for free soon. +4/+4 belts are better anyway. There's a Mature Athlach somewhere near there wearing a +6, or else the big Zombie in Collapsed Passage south of you.
     
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  13. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    If you're role playing a social retard then why are you talking to your companions? Your "infodumps" require active choice of selecting at least 5 menu items and quite enthusiastic pressing of the "continue" button. In this case you're role playing a good squad commander who cares about their :smug: troops.
     
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  14. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Make sure you buy the recipe and Mastodon Meat though. Can’t find the recipe anywhere else and there’s not much Mastodon Meat either if you like that recipe.
     
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  15. panda Savant

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    Oh god
    [​IMG]
     
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  16. ArchAngel Arcane

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    Wtf. I never seen something do that much damage in single hit.. Siroket was erased from history :D
     
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  17. Yosharian Cipher

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    wat
     
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  18. Perkel Arcane

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    Wait, they added turn based mode ? I started to play it on release but dropped it for them to fix bugs and shit. If this has turn based mode i am fucking in.
     
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  19. Jarpie Arcane Patron

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    Mod adds the turn-based mode, from what I've heard, it works very well.

    https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/109
     
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  20. Perkel Arcane

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    Praise the Sun. I wonder if devs have seen that and plan to officially support it.

    Fuck i just started Kingdom Come.... fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck...
     
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  21. ArchAngel Arcane

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    Devs did see it and said they like it. No word about officially supporting it. But it is always possible they do something similar for Pathfinder 2.
     
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  22. Daidre Augur

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    It is still head above Obsidian's official attempts with Deadfire.
     
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  23. ArchAngel Arcane

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    Only irritation I have with TB mod is that if your character is within 5 feet of enemy and can full attack it should automatically only use 5 foot and full attack. I had many situations where character would do a micro move and then lose the full attack.
    Then to make sure I started clicking 5 foot button on top of the UI and later found option that turns on 5 foot with right mouse click on empty space. But sometimes that one just moves you and if you mouse over loot while right clicking, character moves to pick it up instead :D
     
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  24. Shadenuat Arcane

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    wizards are weak
     
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  25. panda Savant

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    Mortality clarified in a single strike.

    This is beaty of nepotism strong economy.
    Frozen shout, four elements, arcane annihilation, grandmaster's rod - all the power comes from artisans.
     
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