Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Lyric Suite]

Lol, i just read the title card and the game is thanking the RPG Codex among others.

Do they know we are bunch of Nazis over here? I mean seeing how woke this company seems to be, it just made me laugh.

 

[Lyric Suite]

KM... Tinman... PAI...

What language is this again?

KM = the literal name of the game

Don’t buy the day-one hype. It isn’t an annoying mini-game but the heart of the game itself. Played on appropriate difficulty it dictates/makes sense of everything else.

Tinman = Ironman without restart requirement. Fewest reloads wins

PAI = played as intended. The a-team at Owlcat is the best around right now. Follow their lead instead of trying to break it.

The tinman thingy sounds interesting. Is that the Last Azlanti? Because i was just googling it and i found some people say it has permadeath, and others say it doesn't. Which is it? I think minimizing saves would give me a better chance to avoid burn out and actrually finish the game but i definitely don't want permadeath.

 

[Max Damage]

I doubt they care much, money is money. Actual nazis wouldn't back anything Pathfinder related in first place.

 

[Supermedo]

Lol, i just read the title card and the game is thanking the RPG Codex among others.

Do they know we are bunch of Nazis over here? I mean seeing how woke this company seems to be, it just made me laugh.

I mean, the game was released in 2018. Codex racism leaked and escalated to 11 during the pandemic so I can see how they made this mistake

 

[Lyric Suite]

Actual nazis wouldn't back anything Pathfinder related in first place.

Well no but wokesters don't have a strict definition of what an "actual" Nazi is and i'm sure the RPG Codex fits right in.

 

[Max Damage]

Owlcat seemed entry level woke from playing Kingmaker and WotR, not that different from devs a couple decades ago.

 

[Agesilaus]

I just started a new playthrough, too. Eldritch Scion with serpentine bloodline, I'm making an evil snake man who recruits the guy experimenting on trolls, the undead cyclops thing, etc. So far so good, hopefully it's possible to make all the companions evil or insane via quest choices. Time to get my revenge on this game, whatever the big end bad guy is hopefully we can be friends and execute linzi/burn her book.

 

[Desiderius]

KM... Tinman... PAI...

What language is this again?

KM = the literal name of the game

Don’t buy the day-one hype. It isn’t an annoying mini-game but the heart of the game itself. Played on appropriate difficulty it dictates/makes sense of everything else.

Tinman = Ironman without restart requirement. Fewest reloads wins

PAI = played as intended. The a-team at Owlcat is the best around right now. Follow their lead instead of trying to break it.

The tinman thingy sounds interesting. Is that the Last Azlanti? Because i was just googling it and i found some people say it has permadeath, and others say it doesn't. Which is it? I think minimizing saves would give me a better chance to avoid burn out and actrually finish the game but i definitely don't want permadeath.

I think it means you just get one save.

Wouldn’t recommend that for first playthrough in case you manage to miss a companion or whatever. Tinman is more for rolling with the punches when things don’t go well and designing to avoid wipes.

There’s a kidnapping event early on that can work out to your advantage if you let them take one of your team. I only ever discovered that once I started playing tinman. Sometimes you’re forced into an evil choice, which is more realistic.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I think it means you just get one save.

That's what the description says but there's threads and posts on google that say there is permadeth.

I guess i could just make a manual backup on the save and pretend it's a "tinman" run like you described it. I don't have the discipline to prevent myself from save scumming if the option is there but if i have to quit the game it's enough of an hurdle to keep me in check.

 

[Piotrovitz]

took slashing grace for Nok Nok but it doesn't' seem to add the dex bonus to his dmg rolls with kukris, wtf?

during feat selection it was also tagged as not recommended for some reason - what am I missing here?

 

[Lyric Suite]

So is this thing gonna break the game? Some comments in the last page seem to suggest a patch for the game was released and that the mod may need an update:

https://rpghq.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2191&start=690

Also, i'm not sure why the one that changes race and gender distribution has been scratched out.

Kinda of interesting he went as far as using AI to change the voices. I don't think i've seen that before though i'm sure it's probably gonna become common if it hasn't already. It's even more funny that he had to change the voice of the negress too. I guess they went out of their way to make her sound "black" in the voice overs if he felt compelled to do that despite the fact he kept the gender.

No mods that i can see that will change all the homo or lesbo shit from quest givers and various NPCs, only the MC faggot "romances" have been expunged from the game.

 

[아파트]

took slashing grace for Nok Nok but it doesn't' seem to add the dex bonus to his dmg rolls with kukris, wtf?

during feat selection it was also tagged as not recommended for some reason - what am I missing here?

You dont need slashing grace for Kukri. He already has finesse training for them through Rogue class.

At 1st level, a rogue gains Weapon Finesse as a bonus feat. In addition, starting at 3rd level, she can select any one type of weapon that can be used with Weapon Finesse (such as rapiers or daggers). Once this choice is made, it cannot be changed. Whenever she makes a successful melee attack with the selected weapon, she adds her Dexterity modifier instead of her Strength modifier to the damage roll.

 

[Piotrovitz]

thanks, totally forgot about finesse training

 

[Desiderius]

I think it means you just get one save.

That's what the description says but there's threads and posts on google that say there is permadeth.

I guess i could just make a manual backup on the save and pretend it's a "tinman" run like you described it. I don't have the discipline to prevent myself from save scumming if the option is there but if i have to quit the game it's enough of an hurdle to keep me in check.

Have discipline. What kind of notsie are you?

 

[Lyric Suite]

I can have an iron discipline for certain things. For instance, in every single D&D game i've played, i have an intransigent rule about resting only if it makes sense, and sometimes i like not to rest at all for as long as i can get away with it. In IWD for instance i wouldn't rest until a given dungeon was done unless i was forced to, conserving spells and buffs for when it was needed.

But for other things i have poor discipline and i know if the option to save scum is there i'll probably take it more often than i'd like.

So tinman mode it is then on challenging difficulty. Only one save and manual backup of files to remove permadeath as that's too much of a tall order for a game i haven't played and may not even finish to begin it.

While searching for portraits i came across a reddit post where a guy ported all the Wrath of the Righteous portraits back to Kingmaker, and there's a bunch of non-nigger paladin ones there lmao. Could make a 2H one though it seems the only NPC tank in the game is some Joan Arc looking chick that everybody seems to hate. Might have to make a custom companion if i go 2H. On the up side, there's a dwarf cleric. Always liked those.

 

[아파트]

Thought I made an underline. It was a strikethrough. Haha. Sorry.

 

[Desiderius]

I can have an iron discipline for certain things. For instance, in every single D&D game i've played, i have an intransigent rule about resting only if it makes sense, and sometimes i like not to rest at all for as long as i can get away with it. In IWD for instance i wouldn't rest until a given dungeon was done unless i was forced to, conserving spells and buffs for when it was needed.

But for other things i have poor discipline and i know if the option to save scum is there i'll probably take it more often than i'd like.

So tinman mode it is then on challenging difficulty. Only one save and manual backup of files to remove permadeath as that's too much of a tall order for a game i haven't played and may not even finish to begin it.

While searching for portraits i came across a reddit post where a guy ported all the Wrath of the Righteous portraits back to Kingmaker, and there's a bunch of non-nigger paladin ones there lmao. Could make a 2H one though it seems the only NPC tank in the game is some Joan Arc looking chick that everybody seems to hate. Might have to make a custom companion if i go 2H. On the up side, there's a dwarf cleric. Always liked those.

The less you rest here the better your Kingmaking will be. Just limit the save-scumming and EXP-sharing or you’ll be nerfing yourself out of the heart of the game.

 

[Lyric Suite]

EXP-sharing

Do i have to?

Since i have zero clue which NPC i'd like to bring with me (i only googled the tank as i needed to know to plan my MC i prefer to be in the dark about the rest) i don't see how i can avoid this. Also i'm a full party enjoyer and from what i've seen it's best to leave it on if you go with 6 companions at all times.

In either case, here's what i came up with, aasimar pally:

19
12
14
7
7
19

If i make it to 20, that would leave me with an extra point which i have no clue what to do with, probably will go to DEX to open up those extra feats that require 13. There's one that gives you 1D6 damage if you flank an opponent which seems interesting, forgot what it's called i saw it on the list yesterday. If not maybe bump wisdom to 8 for an extra save point.

And all skills will go to persuation either way. Maybe a couple of dips in Use Magic Device? Not a class skill but the aasimar gets a bonus there plus i can bump my CHA for more points. Or maybe just focus on persuation as i have no idea what the checks are and since i can't save scum i might play it safe.

So i guess i'm off then (well, tonight once i get home from work i'll be off).

 

[Desiderius]

Just leave EXP-sharing on the default.

Stats don't end up mattering that much, so dumping is unnecessary. Pal is fine but not broken like in Wrath. Some of the most difficult foes aren't Evil. Most companions are melee-oriented so melee MC can be a little redundant.

As for NPCs, Linzi is handy to boost the team but non-trivial to make her fighting/casting all that relevant. I off-tanked with her using Shield Wall at lvl 2 (helps boost Val or Harrim's AC) and Cautious Defender Halfling Feat. She can hold a Heavy Shield with Mage Armor and eventually Bracers and Robes though eventually good Bucklers and Light Armors show up. There's decent support for her Enchanting spells as long as you're not playing Unfair.

Harrim can tank Giants (including Trolls), but Tristian has a better action econ early (his Blessing boosts AC) and adds some nukes as the game goes on. Jae doesn't die and is immune to Poison, Amiri will be your most reliable offense. Val may be better in Medium w/ Heavy Shield until you get Mithril Plate and ways to boost her Strength. Octavia Arcane Trickster sets up well as a Transmuter with the Trickster to boost damage on Rays and eventually on Obsidian Flow and Tar Pool. Early on she can use Webs, Slow and the like for control and to debuff Reflex saves. Regongar's handy for bypassing DR using his weapon enchanting and he has some ways to boost the damage on his Spellstrikes, though he hits pretty hard without them.

The Twins are probably too much for a first playthrough, though it's worth it to pick them up early in Ch2. Much of the path to where they're located is in your territory though it can be a little tricky to tell.

The last three companions are all very strong with good itemization.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Mmmh, maybe i should try something else then (and leave the pally run for Wrath if i ever buy that game). Maybe a sorcerer as i never played one of those. They also have CHA as primary stat and persuation as a class skill so i can still pass those MC only checks.

 

[Haplo]

Mmmh, maybe i should try something else then (and leave the pally run for Wrath if i ever buy that game). Maybe a sorcerer as i never played one of those. They also have CHA as primary stat and persuation as a class skill so i can still pass those MC only checks.

You can pass those Persuasion checks with 6 Charisma - and some buffing.

 

[Lyric Suite]

So i was checking the cleric and on the class description it says it doesn't have atheism as a "feature".

Lmao like what? No fucking shit is atheism a skill in the game or something?

 

[Haplo]

Yeah, Sylvan Sorc is a really strong career choice.
Particularly with a leopard. Though smilodon is offensively the strongest.

 

[Cael]

So i was checking the cleric and on the class description it says it doesn't have atheism as a "feature".

Lmao like what? No fucking shit is atheism a skill in the game or something?

It is a background feat that only one of the companions get, IIRC. You can't get it.

 

[Average Manatee]

It's more like... disdain for the gods rather than thinking they aren't real. It's really dumb and only included so that the edgy leftists can be atheists despite it making no sense when there is ample of evidence of objectively good gods granting powers to people for being good.

I wonder if/when the liberal writers will come for gods and the divine and somehow fuck it up to be meaningless gobbledygook like how race is now completely meaningless and practically optional to care about nowadays. "Ahh, you want to worship your own made up god with its own set of beliefs and tenants? That's fine." "Ohh, you only believe in yourself? Don't worry that's fine, you can still be a cleric of yourself and get whatever powers your DM agrees you should have"