Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Lyric Suite]

Ok, just killed the bandits in the Olag fort. So far the game is actually pretty easy if i wasn't playing in tinman mode i would have bumped the difficutly already. I might still do it but for now i'm going to wait.

So all my characters got a level so i guess it's now time to plan the NPCs. I went straight to Paladin for Valerie since the idea is funny. She can't of course because she isn't lawful good (just noticed this now), but she also lacks another prerequesite: atheism.

Lmao like what? So i checked her character screen and i found atheism as a trait. I'm going out of a limb and assume the text is just wrong and that she can't be a paladin BECAUSE she is an atheist.

The description of the trait is funny it kinda of tries to tackle with the issue we were discussing, of how anybody can be an atheist in a world where gods actually roam around and where magic is everywhere:

On Golarion, "atheism" usually denotes the belief that those beings commonly called "gods" are not worthy of the authority and reverence bestowed upon them by others. Atheists rarely doubt the existence of deities, and generally acknowledge that deities are very powerful beings, but deem them no more than that. Instead of gods, they tend to revere ideals such as goodness or freedom, philosophies such as the Prophecies of Kalistrade or diabolism, or nothing in particular. Some scholars argue that the term "atheist" is incorrectly applied to these people, preferring terms such as "dystheists" or "misotheists." Other call themselves "agnostics," insisting that no mortal can say what is divine and what isn't, as the workings of the divine are fundamentally unknowable by mortals. However, such distinctions are lost on a generally religious society, and most accept the more common term.
Atheism is looked down upon in many parts of Golarion, but is enforced on a state level in the nations of Rahadoum in Garund, Touvette in the River Kingdoms, and Bachuan in Tian Xia.

Despite their lack of faith, atheists' souls are still judged by Pharasma. Their posthumous fate varies: some are sent to planes best matching their individual alignments and philosophies, while others become bodiless spirits in the Astral Plane, are reincarnated, or find their fate in the Graveyard of Souls.

Honestly this shit is kinda of hilarious though i suppose in a pagan world it doesn't necessarely feel out of place. I mean atheism was rampant in the classical world though of course no Roman or Greek ever saw the gods literally walking around the world so i guess it's still kinda of nonsensical to use a word like atheism specifically for a reality like that of D&D but i get the gist of it.

Also according to her description she was a Paladin of "Shelyn", which is the goddess Linzi follows. Making her into a bard would be a good joke to be honest. She leaves the paladin order devoted to the goddess of art (is that a thing?) and then i turn her into an artist. Would work too given her stats lol.

 

[Cael]

Ok, just killed the bandits in the Olag fort. So far the game is actually pretty easy if i wasn't playing in tinman mode i would have bumped the difficutly already. I might still do it but for now i'm going to wait.

So all my characters got a level so i guess it's now time to plan the NPCs. I went straight to Paladin for Valerie since the idea is funny. She can't of course because she isn't lawful good (just noticed this now), but she also lacks another prerequesite: atheism.

Lmao like what? So i checked her character screen and i found atheism as a trait. I'm going out of a limb and assume the text is just wrong and that she can't be a paladin BECAUSE she is an atheist.

The description of the trait is funny it kinda of tries to tackle with the issue we were discussing, of how anybody can be an atheist in a world where gods actually roam around and where magic is everywhere:

On Golarion, "atheism" usually denotes the belief that those beings commonly called "gods" are not worthy of the authority and reverence bestowed upon them by others. Atheists rarely doubt the existence of deities, and generally acknowledge that deities are very powerful beings, but deem them no more than that. Instead of gods, they tend to revere ideals such as goodness or freedom, philosophies such as the Prophecies of Kalistrade or diabolism, or nothing in particular. Some scholars argue that the term "atheist" is incorrectly applied to these people, preferring terms such as "dystheists" or "misotheists." Other call themselves "agnostics," insisting that no mortal can say what is divine and what isn't, as the workings of the divine are fundamentally unknowable by mortals. However, such distinctions are lost on a generally religious society, and most accept the more common term.
Atheism is looked down upon in many parts of Golarion, but is enforced on a state level in the nations of Rahadoum in Garund, Touvette in the River Kingdoms, and Bachuan in Tian Xia.

Despite their lack of faith, atheists' souls are still judged by Pharasma. Their posthumous fate varies: some are sent to planes best matching their individual alignments and philosophies, while others become bodiless spirits in the Astral Plane, are reincarnated, or find their fate in the Graveyard of Souls.

Honestly this shit is kinda of hilarious though i suppose in a pagan world it doesn't necessarely feel out of place. I mean atheism was rampant in the classical world though of course no Roman or Greek ever saw the gods literally walking around the world so i guess it's still kinda of nonsensical to use a word like atheism specifically for a reality like that of D&D but i get the gist of it.

Also according to her description she was a Paladin of "Shelyn", which is the goddess Linzi follows. Making her into a bard would be a good joke to be honest. She leaves the paladin order devoted to the goddess of art (is that a thing?) and then i turn her into an artist. Would work too given her stats lol.

The story is that she became an atheist after she left the paladin order. Yeah, don't ask. You will see it soon enough, if you have the patience for an 8-year old writer's angst.

 

[Desiderius]

Ok, just killed the bandits in the Olag fort. So far the game is actually pretty easy if i wasn't playing in tinman mode i would have bumped the difficutly already. I might still do it but for now i'm going to wait.

So all my characters got a level so i guess it's now time to plan the NPCs. I went straight to Paladin for Valerie since the idea is funny. She can't of course because she isn't lawful good (just noticed this now), but she also lacks another prerequesite: atheism.

Lmao like what? So i checked her character screen and i found atheism as a trait. I'm going out of a limb and assume the text is just wrong and that she can't be a paladin BECAUSE she is an atheist.

The description of the trait is funny it kinda of tries to tackle with the issue we were discussing, of how anybody can be an atheist in a world where gods actually roam around and where magic is everywhere:

On Golarion, "atheism" usually denotes the belief that those beings commonly called "gods" are not worthy of the authority and reverence bestowed upon them by others. Atheists rarely doubt the existence of deities, and generally acknowledge that deities are very powerful beings, but deem them no more than that. Instead of gods, they tend to revere ideals such as goodness or freedom, philosophies such as the Prophecies of Kalistrade or diabolism, or nothing in particular. Some scholars argue that the term "atheist" is incorrectly applied to these people, preferring terms such as "dystheists" or "misotheists." Other call themselves "agnostics," insisting that no mortal can say what is divine and what isn't, as the workings of the divine are fundamentally unknowable by mortals. However, such distinctions are lost on a generally religious society, and most accept the more common term.
Atheism is looked down upon in many parts of Golarion, but is enforced on a state level in the nations of Rahadoum in Garund, Touvette in the River Kingdoms, and Bachuan in Tian Xia.

Despite their lack of faith, atheists' souls are still judged by Pharasma. Their posthumous fate varies: some are sent to planes best matching their individual alignments and philosophies, while others become bodiless spirits in the Astral Plane, are reincarnated, or find their fate in the Graveyard of Souls.

Honestly this shit is kinda of hilarious though i suppose in a pagan world it doesn't necessarely feel out of place. I mean atheism was rampant in the classical world though of course no Roman or Greek ever saw the gods literally walking around the world so i guess it's still kinda of nonsensical to use a word like atheism specifically for a reality like that of D&D but i get the gist of it.

Also according to her description she was a Paladin of "Shelyn", which is the goddess Linzi follows. Making her into a bard would be a good joke to be honest. She leaves the paladin order devoted to the goddess of art (is that a thing?) and then i turn her into an artist. Would work too given her stats lol.

Maybe let her character arc play out before jumping to all the conclusions before you’re 1% into the game.

Your theories about tanking are wrong too.

 

[Desiderius]

Ok, just killed the bandits in the Olag fort. So far the game is actually pretty easy if i wasn't playing in tinman mode i would have bumped the difficutly already. I might still do it but for now i'm going to wait.

So all my characters got a level so i guess it's now time to plan the NPCs. I went straight to Paladin for Valerie since the idea is funny. She can't of course because she isn't lawful good (just noticed this now), but she also lacks another prerequesite: atheism.

Lmao like what? So i checked her character screen and i found atheism as a trait. I'm going out of a limb and assume the text is just wrong and that she can't be a paladin BECAUSE she is an atheist.

The description of the trait is funny it kinda of tries to tackle with the issue we were discussing, of how anybody can be an atheist in a world where gods actually roam around and where magic is everywhere:

On Golarion, "atheism" usually denotes the belief that those beings commonly called "gods" are not worthy of the authority and reverence bestowed upon them by others. Atheists rarely doubt the existence of deities, and generally acknowledge that deities are very powerful beings, but deem them no more than that. Instead of gods, they tend to revere ideals such as goodness or freedom, philosophies such as the Prophecies of Kalistrade or diabolism, or nothing in particular. Some scholars argue that the term "atheist" is incorrectly applied to these people, preferring terms such as "dystheists" or "misotheists." Other call themselves "agnostics," insisting that no mortal can say what is divine and what isn't, as the workings of the divine are fundamentally unknowable by mortals. However, such distinctions are lost on a generally religious society, and most accept the more common term.
Atheism is looked down upon in many parts of Golarion, but is enforced on a state level in the nations of Rahadoum in Garund, Touvette in the River Kingdoms, and Bachuan in Tian Xia.

Despite their lack of faith, atheists' souls are still judged by Pharasma. Their posthumous fate varies: some are sent to planes best matching their individual alignments and philosophies, while others become bodiless spirits in the Astral Plane, are reincarnated, or find their fate in the Graveyard of Souls.

Honestly this shit is kinda of hilarious though i suppose in a pagan world it doesn't necessarely feel out of place. I mean atheism was rampant in the classical world though of course no Roman or Greek ever saw the gods literally walking around the world so i guess it's still kinda of nonsensical to use a word like atheism specifically for a reality like that of D&D but i get the gist of it.

Also according to her description she was a Paladin of "Shelyn", which is the goddess Linzi follows. Making her into a bard would be a good joke to be honest. She leaves the paladin order devoted to the goddess of art (is that a thing?) and then i turn her into an artist. Would work too given her stats lol.

The story is that she became an atheist after she left the paladin order. Yeah, don't ask. You will see it soon enough, if you have the patience for an 8-year old writer's angst.

She left because her dad trooned her in the first place.

Chix aren’t made to be Paladins.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Wow, didn't expect Wagner to start playing when the nynth showed up lol.

I can see why people were saying that sylvan sorcerers fit the story if the latter revolves around nature (maybe i could have even picked a druid).

BTW i just realized the pet can make perception checks. Maybe while i'm at it i can train him to pick locks too why not. This thing is basically soloing the game already as it is, cut down all the bandits in the siege against Olag nearly all on his own. Maybe i should have saved this class for a future unfair run but oh well, too late now.

I gotta say though, after having played every single RPG of this type at max difficulty it's definitely a change of place to see my spells pass DC checks and my guys actually hit enemies i'm not used to that shit, not at low level anyway.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Alright, Amiri and her "story" already pissed me off. She got uppity all of a sudden and i put her in her place with the lawful neutral option. I don't know if that is going to deprive me of snu snu but whatever. Shit character and i don't care that her tribe is literally prehistoric the fact she talks like a cave woman just makes no sense. Minsc at least had an exscuse (he was actually a moron).

Linzi is ok. Her character feels like something out of a cartoon for kids but at least is inoffensive. I noticed i got some options to be rude to her wonder if those actually do anything. Didn't pick them just in case.

Talking to the drunk elf Pathfinder (btw why couldn't the story revolve around that, why i gotta be a kingmaker lol) and learning about her story made me instantly assume the druid helping the Stag Lord is undead. Don't tell me if i got it right i'll save this post for the future.

I can't find where the hell Valerie is hiding i'll look for her later and see what she has to say. When i heard the description of this Sheryl goddess i automatically assumed she left the order because of some love affair, and i guess it's telling that i instantly assumed it involved another woman, but then i remembered Valerie is supposed to be romanceable so.

HOWEVER, Olag's wife told me to spare some woman dual wielding axes and i swear to the forest or whatever a sylvan sorcerer does that if it turns out she has a secret lasbo affair i'll murder this bitch right in the spot lol.

 

[Lyric Suite]

BTW, if an object says "a merchant would pay well for this" it means i can sell it right? That it doesn't have any other purpose.

 

[Lyric Suite]

BTW, here's the track in question:



Music in this game is actually a little better than i expected. I see they got Inon Zur, who i think is the discount Jeremy Soule Bethesda is using now and some Russian dude.

 

[Desiderius]

BTW, if an object says "a merchant would pay well for this" it means i can sell it right? That it doesn't have any other purpose.

Save those for storyteller. Press the offer button at vendor to see what’s junk.

 

[Lyric Suite]

So Valerie's whole problem is the male gaze. Got it.

 

[Ghost of Big Boss]

So Valerie's whole problem is the male gaze. Got it.

I think that is the one that gets real butthurt when she suddenly is no longer beautiful.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Wow, didn't expect the timed quest inquisition to show up so soon.

Guess i'll head to the Tomb first and ignore the berries shit. Since i'll likely have to get back to Bokken rightaway once i acquire them i might as well do it on my way back to the Oleg fort.

I expected the encounter with the Vizzini gnome to happen much later, probably at the end of chapter 1 but i guess it's happening right now. Shiiiet.

This traveling shit is messing with my brain i'm afraid to move in any direction because i don't want to "waste time" lol.

 

[Cael]

So Valerie's whole problem is the male gaze. Got it.

As I said, retarded 8-year old kid stuff.

 

[Nicebrain]

BTW, if an object says "a merchant would pay well for this" it means i can sell it right? That it doesn't have any other purpose.

If i says somthing with "well-grounded antiquities" do not sell it, there is a dude who take care of those. The merchant stuff is to be sold in most cases, save any diamonds and one emerald necklace. I am somewhat paranoid and also saves any of the bigger stones (ex. emeralds) as well

 

[Desiderius]

You need one emerald

 

[Lyric Suite]

So Valerie's whole problem is the male gaze. Got it.

As I said, retarded 8-year old kid stuff.

Heh, i managed to track down Vizzini and now i'm playing diplomacy between kobolds and bogglins (chose to remain neutral as i had no idea what to pick).

It's really BG1 with less edge. I still think the childishness is less of an issue than the politics though.

 

[Cael]

So Valerie's whole problem is the male gaze. Got it.

As I said, retarded 8-year old kid stuff.

Heh, i managed to track down Vizzini and now i'm playing diplomacy between kobolds and bogglins (chose to remain neutral as i had no idea what to pick).

It's really BG1 with less edge. I still think the childishness is less of an issue than the politics though.

It is politics, just the worst kind: in your face, puerile, 1st world problems.

 

[Lyric Suite]

And there we go, run has already ended lol.

While exploring around this area i found a camp. Since all my guys were fatigued i decided to rest and bam, i get attacked by a thing called Viscount Smoulderburn and there doesn't seem to be a way to survive it, so it basically bricked my save. I tried to reload until either Linzi or Harrim won the initiative to see if their buffs would allow me to survive the fear attack, but even with bless or her song all my guys just keep losing the will save and to add insult to injury they all scattered right into warring parties of mites and kobolds who all got added to the turn based roster making the fight a complete clusterfuck. Tried a few times and then the thing critted my main for like 40 damage and that was it, save got deleted lmao.

Not sure if i went the wrong way by chasing after the Vizzini gnome but there didn't seem to be an indication i was in an higher level area. The fight in the tomb was super easy and all the critters around Old Sycamore are also a cake walk so i don't get how i would get ambushed by an enemy this strong.

I mean sure there was some kind of warning. Couple of dead guys and a nature lore check i failed which i suppose might have tipped me off there was going to be something afoot but i still think it was kinda of a dickish move to just throw an unbeatable enemy in a seemingly low level area.

Of course, i whipped my manual back up since if i restart the game now i'll probably never finish it.

[EDIT] This time i passed the lore check but what it says doesn't mean much if you don't know this enemy exists before hand. Still, it's very clear it was a trap i just didn't think the enemy was going to be this strong.

 

[Angelo85]

Still, it's very clear it was a trap i just didn't think the enemy was going to be this strong.

Same thing happened when Karmelo Anthony told his bully not to touch him or he would "find out" what happens if he does.

Seriously though, stronger enemies in low level areas you are supposed to make a note of and come back later if you are so inclined isn't something Kingmaker exactly invented. Since it's a CRPG and not a TTRPG I think it can get away with not telegraphing to an extreme degree (I forgot, can you flee in combat? If I recall this instance correctly, you are pretty close to the map border top left).

 

[Lyric Suite]

Well, to flee i would have needed to survive that fear attack which would have probably meant a few dozen reloads or more. Easier to just restore my backup. Also so far the game has never saved during a battle so i wasn't prepared for it. Usually it just saves on checkpoints or upon exiting the game so i felt safe.

I just set camp somewhere next to it in the end. That was also sort of a shit show (got attacked by lizards while hunting, attacked by bandits because i failed the camouflage, Linzi's meal was shit so no bonuses etc) but i pulled through and got a full night of rest in the end.

I'm actually pretty sure this area was intended for level 3 btw. Both the lizards and the bandits that attacked the camp were level 3 it's just the kobolts and mites that are lower level for some reason.

Wonder if i got myself into trouble by succeeding those lore checks while chasing after the goblin out of the tomb.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Lmao, holy crap i walked on a camp of sleeping bandits and just waltzed in there with my whole party to see if they would wake up. I then attacked one of them and suddenly i got like half a dozen of attacks of opportunity and butchered the whole camp in one swoop except for one guy. Felt pretty satisfying.

 

[Cyberarmy]

You should've Coup De Grâced them

 

[Desiderius]

Old Sycamore is up there with the best areas ever designed. *Especially* the part that punished you for acting like an idiot. Now you’ll shit your pants whenever wisps show up even when they aren’t that dangerous.

As gaming shld be.

 

[Lyric Suite]

It's not the encounter itself it's the saving right as it starts thus bricking the save file.

And before you say "why are you playing in ironman on your first playthrough" remember that you recommend it nigger.

 

[Nortar]

playing in ironman on your first playthrough

Bro, have you mistaken a 100+ hours story driven game for a fucking rogue-like?

Unless you never wanted to like the game in the first place and just needed an excuse to stop playing it.
But in this case why even bother?