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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by Elex, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. Rean The only Rean Patron

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    Strap Yourselves In
    I find odd why you would want to comment negatively on the bug-reporting practices of a mod developer of a mod you place no value upon. If everything is as subjective as you claim and it's a waste of time to copy paste the same bug reporting template a few times to report multiple bugs, it's not fair to make the generalization that filling out bug templates is beyond the average user and deserves any sort of payment. Moral of the story: value is found within the whole process by both the person reporting it and the developer. And, incidentally, a 'QA Analyst' is a new-age job that requires no skill and that anyone can actually perform. The fact that QA personnel are paid in certain industries means absolutely nothing since we live in an age where tenured 'gender studies professors' exist.
     
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  2. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    We'll all have plenty of time to be cool when we're six feet under. Nice guys finish last.

    They have some genius designers working there who haven't been completely destroyed yet. I enjoy their work. Hope you do as well.

    Looks like TB comes with P:K EE since I don't have a specific mod adding it but have it. It is extraordinarily well done. I probably won't go back for Wrath.
     
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  3. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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  4. Nikanuur Learned Patron

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    It's those dreaded shoteks. They deny everything and make all information strangely unavailable. So I went to ask here, amidst the Pathfinder-friendlies.
     
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  5. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    It's in the name of the thread itself lol.
     
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  6. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    This mod in TB no end of fun.

    That and some of these classes. I thought at first Ninja was OP and it is plenty powerful but mostly it's just fun shit like Flurry of Darts and the like.

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    Instead of the annoyingly useless (if you're playing well) Danger Sense you get this sneaky good passive bonus to Stealth. That fourth Ninja trick lets you spend a Swift ki for a Vanish combined with the extra Stealth makes for a great scout. With advanced Talents you can upgrade the Vanish to a Greater Invis.

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    You can also give yourself an extra 30 feet of Speed for a round for a Swift Action (situational Swifts are so good in TB) just in case your Charge isn't quite getting there.

    They'd be very good in RTwP too but for some reason Swifts hang in RTwP if you miss the window (?) where they're expected (?). Move actions will do this as well. Free Actions fire immediately. No reason first Swift or Move of the round can't do this too instead of burning your turn waiting to fire. I guess they have to wait for Initiative but often by the time they go off your Standard Action window will be over.

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    There are a couple different ways to get this Spiritual Ally Summon. This one comes for free with Battle Host Occultist at level five with another activation each 4 levels. Note the positioning here to set up flanking. This is proper flanking mod which makes you actually flank stuff or no bonus for you.

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    Here she's picked up the Trappings of the Warrior Panoply at level 10 which gives her full BAB, so her Ally gets it as well and starts to do some real damage.

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    Usually you use Dirty Trick for the Blind but the Nature Fang Druid already applied the Blind (using Touch to set up Flat-footed for the team) via no Save Spit Venom. Rogues (including Ninja) can pick up Dirty Trick as a Ninja Trick/Rogue Talent so made use of it here to apply the Sicken. She also has Feint to get the target flat-footed to set up Tricks, then follow up with the Full Attack on the following turn.

    The malformed head of that Alpha Wolf means it is a Corrupted Creature which can mean as many as ten extra levels tacked on so this guy is more dangerous than he looks.

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    This crit was set up with a Feint on the previous turn I think? Anyway it gets them flat-footed so turns on Sneaks and turns off DEX to AC. Perfect for Ninja whose Ki Pool is CHR-based.

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    The main thing to look for here is the Major Luck Domain Warpriest Blessing which lets her reroll every roll for a number or rounds = 1/2 Warpriest level. This may be the most powerful single ability in the game since you get 3 + 1/2 Warpriest level activations so can just keep it up more or less constantly.

    But look at the arrow. That is this thing triggering:

    https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/swordplay-upset-combat/

    Been wanting to use that for a long time. Time for some Ninja tanking.

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    Wrapping things up with the obviously OP Burst of Nettles going off. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader why it is the perfect spell for this job against Reflex vulnerable foes.
     
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  7. Mangoose Arcane Patron

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    Snake Fang (Snake Style feat) is hilarious when they keep hitting my Mirror Images.

    Edit: And... No, I did not think of that on purpose. lol.
     
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  8. Nikanuur Learned Patron

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    I... erm... will corelate now... in the corner... corelate... there... if... anybody wants to see me...
     
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  9. Yosharian Magister

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    Doesn't a MI hit count as a 'hit' rather than a miss? Hmm. This interaction doesn't seem right.
     
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  10. Mangoose Arcane Patron

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    "When an opponent's attack misses you."
     
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  11. Yosharian Magister

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    Yes but technically in order to strike one of your images, the opponent must succeed at hitting your AC first. So depending on which way you interpret it, an opponent might or might not have 'missed' you for the purposes of this feat.
     
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  12. Mangoose Arcane Patron

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    Failing at hitting AC would be missing lo.
     
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  13. Yosharian Magister

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    Yes, of course? I thought you were making a reference to getting free attacks via Snake Fang when enemies hit your images? Not when they miss your AC completely?
     
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  14. Mangoose Arcane Patron

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    Mirror Image https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/m/mirror-image/
     
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  15. Jackpot Learned

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    Question: If you take a Smilodon as a pet for Mad Dog, does the Smilodon get the improved trip on each attack, or is it a standard action?
    I'm thinking that a leopard might be a better pet for Mad Dog if the trip doesn't apply to the Smilodon's attacks.
     
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  16. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Standard unless you play CotW. Smilo is OP and large pets are a pain so Leopard works well. Mad dog is kind of boring tho.
     
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  17. Efe Erudite

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    are you misreading what improved trip does?
    there is no trip per attack, its a single action like cleave or vital strike. best you can get it bite + cloak
     
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    I see, from what I read online it sounded like other pets did have a chance to trip per attack.
     
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  19. Yosharian Magister

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    I know how mirror image works so I'm not sure why you just quoted it at me
     
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  20. archaen Arbiter Patron

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    The trip feat is separate from the built in trip attempts on the bite of certain animal companions (wolf, dog, leopard). If an animal companion uses the trip feat it acts exactly the same as if a character used it.
     
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  21. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    In PnP and CotW it replaces an attack. Only Dirty Trick is supposed to be a Standard Action, and there’s the Quick Dirty Trick feat for that.
     
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    Back to the Depths with the Nature Fang teaming up with the Arrowsong Minstrel (this time with a Drill Sergeant Splash to pick up Martial Proficiency to get Halfling Sling Staff and Tactician to share Enfilading Shot) to continue the damage + debuff theme:

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    Bullseye Strike is Move Action +4 to hit, Frigid Touch is no Save Stagger using a Reach Rod to make it ranged touch. Staggered Hydra gets 1 attack instead of five, Storm Burst is no Save -2 to hit.

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    Here's the result. Storm Burst reduces Hydra hit chance per attack 2/3 and Touch turns five attacks into one. ~56% hit chance -> 5%. Pick up Mirror Image at lvl nine.

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    Swift action Demoralize from Omen Faith Trait. Scaled Fist/Dragon Disciple will soon have Shatter Defenses to take advantage of this set up. Holic added Obscuring Mist to all Stinking Clouds to prevent ranged cheese.

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    This is Holic's Animate Dead. You turn an actual Corpse (up to twice your own HD) into a skeleton that follows you around until it's killed. Probably worse than vanilla since there you could put it anywhere you wanted it. Same problem with Monster Tactician. If you enjoy kiting this own might work better for you.

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    What could have been if this DLC had been done right. All too rare sense of atmosphere. Falls well short of Caed Nua overall.
     
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  23. Mangoose Arcane Patron

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    Well, see, when they hit my mirror image, it means they failed at hitting me.
     
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  24. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Nature Fang makes a nice Perception specialist as a WIS-based class with access to Trapfinding through Slayer Talents.

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    The Slayer version also gives you the lvl/2 bonus to Trickery and Nature Fang trades Wild Shaping for those Slayer Talents so is naturally suited to ranged so usually has high DEX, but... CotW also offers WIS to AB on Long Bow for Erastil worshippers, so good Trickery backup at least.

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    Owlbears are no joke with a lot of attacks so we go with the insurance policy of Bullseye Shot plus Reach Frigid Touch for no Save Stagger and... guess I deserved that crit miss. Reba is a Halfling Arrowsong Minstrel (Bard archetype) which gives her Arrowsong Strike. She also gets all Ray and Evocation Wiz spells to go along with it, along with Hurricane Bow and a couple other ranged spells. Arrowsrong Strike is Spellstrike without Spell Combat, so she's built to reliably land one big hit rather than several smaller ones. Bullseye Shot is perfect for that.

    She's like an AT that gets an attack attached to her Rays instead of Sneaks. Of course you can still attach Sneaks to that attack via Sense Vitals and the like.

    And she still brings Good Hope and Inspire Courage, so that's nice.

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    Here's a rare Snap Shot sighting. Warpriest is perfect for Snap Shot since it takes a shit ton of Feats to set up and Warpriest has a shit ton of Feats laying around. Also counts as full BAB and Fighter for Feat purposes so can get Point Blank Master and gets to Snap Shot Feats much faster than other 3/4 BAB classes.

    Snap Shot is what turns on Coordinating Shot and Enfilading Shot for the other ranged characters since those Feats require someone in melee range threatening or flanking and without Snap Shot she wouldn't count for that even if she were standing right next to the target. It also turns on Outflank which is hard to do for a ranged build. And gets to use an awesome Shield as well.

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    Here's a similar situation. Ninj used Vanishing Trick to disappear, poor Worg tries to run by unawares, and Ninj ganks it from behind, just like a Ninja would. Great fun.

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    I've tested this Feat out and it is AWESOME. Free Action greatness. Only downside is I wasn't planning on Fighting Defensively or using Combat Expertise so will need Blade Tutor to offset the attack penalty. Will get that after Mirror Image so going for Dazzling Display into Shatter Defenses first.

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    Intentionally didn't go two-weapon on Ninja to avoid getting too powerful but... well, we'll head up to Hard soon. I think the flat-footed is from previous Feint but unsure. See also Battle Host tanking and Scaled Fist/DD owning. These are not trivial foes.

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    Haven't been doing a ton with Battle Host other than buffing, tanking, Feinting , and Disarming but Trappings of the Warrior (combination of Transmutation and Abjuration Implements) is no joke. Using a Trident since yet to find decent Flail (Deity's Weapon, comes with Disarm Bonus - Holic adds some CM bonuses to weaker weapon types = very good idea).

    If you like TB I'd highly recommend the Occultist class. So many very solid options.

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    And here we are - first time I've ever found a Depths boss in DLC (yes, I have bad restartitis). Found Winter Wolf Cloak in literally the last chest right before this. Your girl doing you proud M. AQVILA!

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    Not sure the Trip was all that great given all the ranged attackers in this group, but Nature Fang fights through it. If I'd gotten Joan to the backside of the boss she'd have another +3 to hit from Enfilading and Coordinating Shot.

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    Why Dragon Disciple* instead of straight Scaled Fist? Have you met my friends Mirror and Image?

    These adds are no joke. Without their Bows they're also no threat. Dazzling Blade buffs both Disarm and Bluff checks so is perfect for INT to Bluff Disarming Battle Host.

    * DD turns out to be about adding some fast spell progression onto the back end of fighting classes (with some other serious benefits) instead of making your caster into a fighter. Is it better at that than EK? Depends if you want the Dragony stuff (the Bite is an additional PRIMARY attack so much better than Feral Mutation or Motherless), and Dragon Style Feats double the STR buffs and likes the INT buff to get to 8 Mobility.

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    You get the respawn from wiping or from killing a boss. Either way you get a boon and vendor upgrade for all subsequent playthroughs.
     
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  25. Yosharian Magister

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    Oh forget it, like arguing with a brick wall!
     
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