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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by Elex, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    Probably, you should have bought a lottery ticket today.
     
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  2. Naharcito Novice

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    Last time I bought a lottery ticket was in august and didn't go well.
     
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  3. kangaxx Learned

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    My female ranger PC has always been a degenerate, but this is too much.

     
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  4. ferratilis Savant

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    This game could really use a search function. Deadfire had one, and I don't remember seeing nearly as many scrolls/potions in that game as in this one.

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  5. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    There is sorting, you know. I have never had such a mess in my inventory in Kingmaker.
     
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  6. Wunderbar Arcane

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    Sorting isn't all that great of a solution because scroll icons are pretty terrible.
     
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  7. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    However, it does allow to group potions, scrolls, wands and other consumables together. And even list them according to some ranking.
     
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  8. Wunderbar Arcane

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    it uses alphabetical sorting, which isn't all that great. Idk about the english version, but in Russian the naming is janky.

    Like, the firebombs are named "alchemical fire", and because of that they are always on top, while acid vials are always at the end of a list. Similar thing with regular and greater scrolls - for example, "Heroism" and "Heroism, greater" are far away from each other for some reason.
     
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  9. Cyberarmy Love fool Patron

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    Just sell basic scrolls and potions?
     
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  10. Wunderbar Arcane

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  11. kangaxx Learned

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    My solution is to basically never use scrolls or potions. I don't think I've touched more than one or two in ~80h or so.
     
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  12. ferratilis Savant

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    I also don't use scrolls or potions like 90% of the time, but when I actually want to use Remove Curse or Restoration, it's a nightmare to find it. You have to hover over each one to see what it is. Granted, some of those icons are descriptive enough, but most aren't. Sorting doesn't really help that much.

    In general, I'm surprised how many steps forward in the genre Kingmaker made, in terms of quality-of-life features, but then they just ignored certain things, or maybe didn't even care in the first place. The UI is amazing, a lot of things can be tweaked, selling junk to vendors is convenient, level up screen is really well done, journal as well. Just the UI design alone helps to understand some of the mechanics for someone not familiar with Pathfinder system. But on the other hand, there are no hotkeys to swap weapon sets or toggle stealth in 2021, wtf?!, there isn't even a basic option to toggle between AI presets. I'm not asking for much, just let me toggle aggressive/defensive/hold ground etc. so it's not a binary system where the companions either run into combat like morons or just stand there. Encumbrance system is something that shouldn't be in modern cRPGs imo, but some people get their pitchfork out when you say that, because they care about immersion. Maybe I'm too nitpicky, but these features are very useful.
     
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  13. kangaxx Learned

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    My experience with this kind of system is mostly limited to DnD 2E and a very small amount of 5E (not TT, only CRPGs). I had never played Pathfinder in my life.

    So you can imagine the "fun" when I realised I needed diamond dust to cast Restoration and I was stuck in a tomb full of level-hungry trash mobs. I also then noticed how few restoration scrolls I'd acquired before that point... I had about 40 Cat's Grace ones though, and something like 20 invisibility potions. Great.
     
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    I use all consumables at every step, because I know developers are afraid bad players would run out, and put thousands of them everywhere.
     
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  15. kangaxx Learned

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    I need to re-learn this lesson. It was drilled into me during my teenage SS2 on Impossible runs to conserve everything, and usually it just isn't necessary.
     
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  16. ferratilis Savant

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    This is so true. Most of the consumables in the screenshot I posted above were found in the last dungeon of Varnhold's Lot DLC. I didn't play it on release, but if you look at Steam forums, you can find a bunch of posts where people whine how it was too difficult. They probably put all those scrolls in it for those people, it's funny. And the DLC isn't even that hard tbh, it's just that the companions they provide are pretty bad.
     
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  17. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    When I decide to rest in a dungeon, usually I fight one more fight using mostly consumables. Works on Hard.

    Wunderbar I haven't played in Russian, but there is sorting by type. Try this at least. In English sorting works OK; and Alchemist Fire is side by side with Acid flasks.
     
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  18. Wunderbar Arcane

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    it's still sorts by alphabet. Seems like the devs were aware of that problem, hense all of the consumables have very amusing naming system - all potions names start with "potion / зелье", all wands start with "wand / жезл" and all scrolls start with "scroll / свиток". Very hacky solution.

    Unfortunately, this hacky solution doesn't quite work, because the naming isn't consistent. For example, alchemist fire isn't named "Зелье Алхимический огонь", but simply "Алхимический огонь", and thus it's always shown before other consumables (even before wands). At the same time, "Acid flask" is named "Склянка с кислотой", so it's always last on the list (after scrolls). Some other potions suffer from the same issue, namely "protection from fire" (devs forgot to put the word "potion / зелье").

    I should've played this game in English.
     
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  19. mediocrepoet First disciple of Mediocrites Patron

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    Thanks for sharing that. It never even occurred to me that there could be sorting issues in other languages just based on differing words or grammatical conventions.
     
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  20. Diogenis Literate

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    Hello guys.

    Is there something like a SCS (Sword Coast Strategems) mod for this game like in Baldur’s Gate?
     
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  21. ferratilis Savant

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    So, at some point after starting the Armag questline, I started experiencing this bug where animal companions spawn in random places on the map, sometimes completely offscreen doing God-knows-what. In this screenshot, Amiri's smilodon is completely offscreen, being useless. This happens in every map, sometimes they'll spawn in the middle of the map, sometimes close, it's random. It's the same for all animal companions, regardless of the character. Apparently, they introduced this bug in the "Enhanced" Edition. Nice job, Owlcat, nice job. Todd would be proud.

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  22. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Best advice is to stick to turnbased mode since the AI is way less likely to be duped into dumb stuff like focusing on a single tank with 60 AC while the rest of the party has 20.
     
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  23. ferratilis Savant

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    Obsidian got a lot of flak for their backer shenanigans in PoE, like those gold-named NPCs and backer-only achievement on Steam, but after going through the 'Deal with the Devil' quest in Kingmaker, everything is forgiven. Some guy has paid $4000 to write a quest and, no surprises, it's by far the worst quest I've ever seen in an RPG. It has incoherent writing, it defies its own logic, it's completely out-of-place, just overall shit. Helping a scumbag is considered lawful neutral, what a joke.

    Imagine spending 4000 bucks only to be hated by everyone who plays the game. That guy is not very bright.
     
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  24. purupuru Learned

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    My animal companions in Enhanced Edition thankfully didn't spawn on random locations, though they did spawn on the kingdom management map. Sometimes it's Ekun's dog, sometimes it's my lizard, they would just stand on the town maps and tower over the mini buildings.
     
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  25. kangaxx Learned

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    It's funny you mention it. I experienced very few bugs (if any) in the first portion of the game, but the further and further I get in, the longer the loading times get and the more jank I encounter. My smilodon doesn't spawn randomly across the map though (yet anyway).
     
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