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Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by purpleblob, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Xamenos Magister Patron

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    Not just gameplay. It's how the ruleset is meant to be played. A good DM has a lot of tools in his hands to punish a rest-spamming party and force them to push on despite their dwindling resources. Time limits like in KM is just one such tool, and a pretty lenient one at that.
     
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  2. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    There is absolutely nothing wrong with time limits, especially ones that force you to make difficult decisions or punish you for being wasteful with your resources.
     
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  3. Parabalus Arcane

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    There is a similar time limit in C1, if you don't rest twice the inn isn't attacked.
     
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  4. Efe Liturgist

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    if you are late to library, mages burn and you cannot recruit them for gray garrison
    if you are late to estrod, inn attack is empowered.
    these two are time limits.
    inn not being attacked is more like "prestige" outcome
     
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  5. Testownia Guest

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    Am I the only one who thinks that the evil paths should be the easiest ones (not easy per se), the good paths more difficult, and the Trickster/Aeon/Legend paths (the "gimmicky" ones) ball-bustingly hard (since you're either trying to impose vague cosmic/philosophical concepts in the case of Trickster/Aeon or being just a regular mortal in case of Legend)?
     
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  6. sorinmask Just like Yves, I chase tales. Patron

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    Disagree. If time limits were gameplay, then they would be included in the tutorial.

    Imma make some statements that are gonna twist your panties:

    1. On my first P:K playthrough, I beat each chapter with 1 month left in the tank, each time.
    2. The difficulty settings come with warnings, not the tutorial.






    This is not about the game(s) being punishing. It's about not allowing disrespectful people, to beat the game just because they bought it. It's about the developers asking to be respected as people. And there is nothing wrong with that.
     
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  7. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    I do agree on Legend should be the most difficult. but Evil or Good or Neutral should have no bearing on how difficult it is, it should be based on the logical connection between the Mythic Path and the overall setting. I mean I would argue Demon and Lich should have actually harder time in Crusade due to the fact that their image is less than stellar. Angel should be the easiest because it gives legitimacy to the Crusade. On the other hand Chapter 4, you being a demon in the demon world should have leverage while LG Angel should have less than flexible choice and have a harder time etc. Same cases with Aeon, Trickster. Maybe saving Stauthon will have an impact that he will bring major reinforcement that makes a major battle significantly easier while you need to face some adversaries other Mythic Paths aren't facing due to you wanting to fix some shit.

    Honestly, regardless of difficulty, it would be nice to have all paths having significant uniqueness in content. As of now, all paths follow the same critical paths where your mythic powers govern some unique C&C (with some has decent impact narrative-wise) which the on work Mythic Quests are supposed to be, but they all feel very short currently. Will see on Beta 2 but I hope they expand on the unique contents.
     
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  8. Testownia Guest

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    Remember that rumour going around that one of Aeon's endings was him becoming king? It's better. Thanks to further data-mined dialogue we know now that an Aeon player just outright becomes the ruler of the retconned Dresen.

    As to the difficulty - I agree, Legend should be the hardest but followed by Trickster/Aeon since their philosophies are very abstract and disconnected from "regular" mortals and their respective deities/afterlives. Take an Aeon's final goal - PEACE, and then take a long look at the region he is operating in.
     
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  9. Xamenos Magister Patron

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    Are you still reading unsourced leaks on 4chan?
     
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  10. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    May be Owlcats should just implement 4chan fakes in game. This would be one truly Trickster solution.
     
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  11. Lagole Gon Arcane Patron

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    Does demon still kind of suck?
     
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  12. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    Still heavily criticized in Discord I think. Considered to be mechanically the weaker of the paths, Demon Rage feels too restricting, doesn't have expected interaction with Bloodrager, etc. Narrative wise feels the least powerful as well.
     
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  13. Xamenos Magister Patron

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    I was bored and went looking for the source of your "leaks". And look what I found:
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  14. Testownia Guest

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    Nah, someone actually posted a data-mined conversation with a key. Basically, it's a conversation between an Aeon and someone else (can't remember the name) where he makes decrees concerning Dresen.
     
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  15. Xamenos Magister Patron

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    pics or gtfo
     
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    Go dig through the archives yourself. I have better things to do. It's also someone's machine translation from Russian, so good luck.
     
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  17. Xamenos Magister Patron

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    And that's how they get you, you dumb fuck.
     
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  18. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    all leaks are real until they aren't anymore
     
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  19. The Cunny Commander Novice

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    I haven't been in this cesspool for a year which means i can't give ratings, but i would just like to let you know that you're retarded.
     
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  20. Shinros Learned

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    Yes, after playing it, in my opinion it's the worst mythic so far in terms of gameplay and story. Gameplay wise it's weak, narrative wise it fails absolutely in terms of being a power fantasy or an underdog story. The only way to get out of the thumb from other demons is just to hit the button to rage constantly in dialogue, doing that for over 20+ hours wasn't riveting. Plus there is an infamous scene among testers where demons try to get the demon PC to mop up after an orgy, of course to get around that you have to rage. The plot is basic and as I said the gameplay is plain weak. Hopefully by the second build we will see some changes. In the end it's just bad from top to bottom, let's not forget it's the default evil route.

    Also Trickster doesn't do that to
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    Camellia, haven't seen anything like that in the files and unless someone can provide a key it's bullshit. Also checked with someone who normally goes through the files, found nothing either. It is known that Camellia hates/ is terrified of an Aeon PC for obvious reasons.
     
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  21. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Is the Angel any good? Narratively I mean.
     
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  22. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Yes. The mechanics are underrated tho.
     
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  23. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Decent start with what’s really inside the Wardstone and what that says about them. I’ve got a couple Angel playthroughs on hold so will know more after next beta.
     
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  24. Shinros Learned

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    Angel is very vanilla narrative wise as you expect but it has cool characters, plus you have two ways to RP it which is good. You can be either deus vult or be more merciful. Gameplay wise it's great because it can work with almost any build and class.

    For example, lets say you're a wizard? At a certain mythic level you can upgrade angel buff which converts all your damage spells to holy damage. You can upgrade your halo to debuff surrounding spell resistance. The upgrade has a great second part to it but I can't exactly remember what it does.
     
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  25. Salvo Savant

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    I believe Angel actually is the guy that gets most shit done other than Aeon. For example Angel is the only one that can
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    permanently kill Baphomet in his own realm, something only Nocticula was able to do. Obviously, this scares the shit out of all the demons, Succ included.
     
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