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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Owlcat's next Pathfinder RPG - now in ALPHA STAGE 2

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by purpleblob, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Robber Baron Learned

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    Something being extremly overpowered is ok in a SP game if it's hidden behind crazy mechanics or after you understand how the system works, aka the reward for time investment.
     
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  2. Lacrymas Arcane

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    I'd say that's unavoidable in a system with as many moving parts as Pathfinder or even 5E. As long as it requires metagaming and isn't obvious, that's ok.
     
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  3. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    What you will have to recon with is Aunt Kamala.
     
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  4. Volrath Arcane Patron

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    When is this supposed to be released?
     
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  5. Dishonoredbr Savant

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    June 2021.
     
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  6. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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  7. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Those are pox scars, genius. They are disgusting, and were universally despised throughout the history of mankind as a sign of being unclean. Just like your builds are a sign of a fragile mind.
     
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  8. Lawntoilet Cipher Patron

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    Baby dragon
    Also
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    dragon eggs

    Give it a shot, you will see
    Which of his builds do you think are so bad? I mean concrete examples.
    I only ask because your earlier description of them very much described InEffect or Nerd Commando builds but pretty much the opposite of what I see Desiderius posting.
     
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  9. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    None. I don't read builds, since I don't like being hand-held in my gameplay. I'm just writing it to fuck with him, since this obviously gets to him.

    As to your answer - other than the baby dragon, what's the difference, story-wise, between Azata and Angel/Trickster. How is the Azata Path dialogue/choices different from those two?
     
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  10. Lawntoilet Cipher Patron

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    Azata can do things like
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    recruit monsters to join the crusade, for example using Mimics against demons
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    It's got just as much overlap with Trickster as it does with Angel really.
     
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  11. razvedchiki Liturgist

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    azata can talk them into fighting for him or through mental domination?
     
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  12. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Do you know whether one has to be on the Angel Path to then go onto the Gold Dragon Path?
     
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  13. Lawntoilet Cipher Patron

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    You use
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    Don't know since it's not in the game yet.
    Based on the leaks though it sounds like
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    if you favor "Lawful" too strongly over "Good" as an Angel, the dragon won't take you under his wing, so I wouldn't be surprised if you can go Azata->Dragon also.
     
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  14. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    I wish you're right. I want to keep my Special Magical Dragon Child.
     
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  15. Ghulgothas Scholar

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    IIRC from the older datamining threads it treats you more like a kind of chaotic good-aligned superhero rather than a staunchly lawful angelic arbiter. It was explicitly likened to being a kind of Aquaman/Squirrel Girl kinda cape, with Aivu your trusty dragon sidekick and all your animal friends teaming up to fight the Forces of Evil. You're also slightly lessen beholden to Iomedae since your powers come from Elysium rather than Heaven.

    Also the good-aligned nature of it makes more characters favorable to you than Trickster, who is perpetually the target of suspicion due to them fucking with everyone as opposed to only fucking with demons.
     
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  16. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Unless we have a harem, it isn't.
     
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  17. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Angel is NG. Gold Dragon is LG.

    CG is like the Hippocratic Oath. NG is about sticking it to E. LG is about paying the cost to be the boss.

    Could turn out they write it backwards, but that’s the way it should be. I’m hoping to go Aeon -> Gold Dragon.
     
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  18. Lawntoilet Cipher Patron

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    I don't know about that, it seems like it's written pretty LG to me. I mean you can certainly navigate it easily enough while remaining NG, but there are a lot of dialogues where you get both an [Angel][Lawful] and an [Angel][Good] choice.
     
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  19. BarbequeMasta Learned

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    I hope one can go from Azata to Swarm, eating faggot betrayed animals would be hilarious!
     
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  20. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    I still have a silent hope there will be a proper CN Swarm path. Although that's very unlikely, unfortunately. Which is somewhat irking. Seems to me a CN Swarm makes more sense than a CN Demon.
     
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  21. CaesarCzech Learned

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    Question i know Swarm is pure evil but how about Demon and Lich ? are you forced to Evil as Demon ? can you be non evil as lich ?
     
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  22. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    I think the original 6 Mythic Path will have some internal branch of some sort.

    Angel can be LG holy fire avenger or more of NG redemption and mercy guy. I think one of the dev even confirms this in Discord. She corrected it when someone said that Angel is LG/LN and she said Angel is supposed to be LG/NG.

    Aeon is.supposed to be stone-cold LN, practically a LE lawyer to get Devil, or a meek LG (no clear advantage right now, probably decent to get to Gold Dragon).

    Lich currently can be "power at all cost to fight demon" (sort of LN?) or cackling maniac Whispering Tyrant wannabe (full LE/NE). Edit: from Discord your competing "advisors" from Lich is essentially a vampire from Geb (necromancy/undead nation where non necromancer/indead is 2nd class citizen) or literally the Whispering Way (batshit insane Undead cult. Whispering Tyrant/Tar Baphon was a member and he was the stronges Lich in PF iirc, to the point the Good gods intervenes somewhat).

    I am assuming Demon, Azata, and Trickster will have some of their own internal flavors as well.

    Gold Dragon, Swarm, and Legend is supposed to late game branch so I would assume they have no internal branch, but we know nothing yet at this point.
     
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  23. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    I don't quite get the appeal of those late-game Mythic Paths. The vast majority of players want their playthrough to have a particular "flavour". Besides, from the mined dialogues the Azata Path can turn into a Swarm one? How? The Azata Path is Good/Neutral.
     
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  24. CaesarCzech Learned

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    Swarm is basically go Insane and Burn it all. So its avalible for any path as response to being screwed over at one plotpoint i think.
     
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  25. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    Because uuuh they have their own theme? LG Gold Dragon is more of protectors of mortal instead of Angelic Avenger of LG Angel and thus is rather unique, or at least that's what people are saying in Discord.

    Arguably you can say that it is better to have them early rather than later (as in make all 9 paths availble early) but based on Discord and people who read leaks, the whole point of GD is that he is evaluating you based on your previous actions and will decide to take you on as mentee or not. It makes sense in context that they happen later.

    Legend is supposed to be "Fuck theese extraplannar and soul changing assholes, Imma be awesome by my own mortal self!"
     
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