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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Owlcat's next Pathfinder RPG - now in ALPHA STAGE 2

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by purpleblob, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Shinros Learned

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    Tabletop wise, Lich's are any evil, but in the context of the game and what I've played I agree with this. Also, I think a chaotic evil character would just annoy your Lich master. Now the reason why Demon and Angel has so many alignment choices is pure gameplay mechanics, Angel and Demon are basically default and mirror each other. You need to pick a path, can't go without one. Angel is basically good and Demon is evil. So far, what I've observed from the Alpha and Leaks, trying to go against the grain within your path can lead to certain consequences. The path that is quite clear in this regard is Aeon at the moment.
     
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  2. BarbequeMasta Learned

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    That's gonna be my first character as well, a hell knight Signifier necromancer who enforces the Law at any cost.
     
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  3. Brotherman Bill Arcane

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    Did they kick Avellone from this or not?
     
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  4. kreight Literate

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    i dont think so. they are being quiet about it because of the recent scandal. but i think hes still on it.
     
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  5. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    LG Hellknight Aeon -> GD
     
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  6. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    First playthrough is definitely LN/CN Tiefling Demon. For Class I am considering Bloodrager or ES.

    Do Magus Spell Combat works with a natural weapon, say, Claws? I am thinking of doing spell-strike powered natural attack as a theme but not sure whether the game allows it.
     
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  7. razvedchiki Liturgist

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    are there any specific cavalry warfare weapons ingame, ie lances etc?
     
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  8. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    not in alpha, weapons are just normal type

    some weapons and equipment do have mounted combat effects (e.g. in Chapter 1 I think there is Longspear that does additional damage dice when used by character in mounted combat).
     
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  9. bec de corbin Educated

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    Can halflings ride dogs? Because that is an important cavalier mechanic
     
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  10. Mr. Magniloquent Savant

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    The demon path can be lawful? Also neutral? Angel can be non-good? Bizarre.
     
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  11. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Milton’s Satan is a fallen angel.
     
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  12. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    Mechnically speaking, the Angel choices are still mostly Lawful and/or Good, but as with any alignment choice, they move your character into certains axis. Choosing a mythic path doesn't necessarily force you to always use the Mythic based choice to solve your problems too which means it is possible to still do Evil actions when you are doing Angel Mythic Path, and vice versa, do Good things when you are Demon/Lich. Now consistently and always choosing your Mythic Path related choice will more than likely move you to the intended alignment and if you role-play your character seriously everything should probably work. Now the game is only halfway finished so I am not sure if there are consequences if, say, initially LN Angel (so you can take the Mythic Path) fall to Evil alignment later and whether the game will acknowledge it or not.

    Narratively, usually picking the Mythic-Based choice will result in consequences unique for that Mythic Path but there are also neutral/non-mythic choices in most major decision point. I personally haven't done trial and error to find and compare tho.

    Speaking of design, this "range" of alignment is needed to ensure that the player can move forward in the story without being locked out from Mythic Progression all0together. The choice of mythic after all is tied to mechanical action (picking them during level up) and having too strict of alignment restriction might result in a fail-state of some sort, namely can't progress in Mythic Level beyond Level 2 (mythic level 1 - 2 are neutral Mythic Hero path, altho you do get a flavor of choice on Level 1 it doesn't lock you out of anything). This is why Angel and Demon, both are default Mythic Paths that will always be available, have the requirement of only non-Evil/non-Good. You literally can't lock yourself out of Mythic progression.

    Another design decision which probably influence this is probably to reduce the amount of complaints. Even during the KS there is no end of people asking question about being a "Good Lich" nevermind the implication of what Necromancy do is Evil in Pathfinder universe. By having a range of alignmet you allow certain degree of flexibility.

    Narrative design wise, I think this is realted to the theme of each path as well, altho not always the case. For example, from what few Demon content is in the game (no Demon content in Ch 3 which where all the Mythic stuff happens), you usually has choice of "unleashing rage" or trying to suppress it with your willpower. This lead me to believe that internal route of Demon will be between being consumed by rage as per your demonic nature or trying to keep in check and use your evil power as needed to defeat your adversaries (anti-hero). This way I feel this is logical to have a Neutral or even Lawful Demon as strong discipline is needed to suppress your evil side. But this of course is pure speculation on my part.
     
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  13. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    The irony being that the Koiné Greek translated “meek” has that exact sense of power under strong discipline in the original.

    Disciple and discipline (obv) from same root.

    Also translated gentle as in the English gentlemen who were at the time establishing an Empire on which the sun never set.
     
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  14. Lawntoilet Cipher Patron

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    FYI: New patch fixed a number of issues with Tactical Combat (like not being able to fight Purple Worms, Pathfinder not giving extra movement, etc.). I can finally get my Royal Court approval back up to 100.
    The UI gives a bit more info in the Tactical Combat layer now, as well.
     
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  15. BarbequeMasta Learned

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    BTW do mythical paths affect tactical layer directly? like a Lich having access to undead units etcs.
     
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  16. Mr. Magniloquent Savant

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    Yeah, except in Paradise Lost they stop being angels. Literally and figuratively. I guess allowing for deviation to prevent the game riding on rails has some merits. It also seems that compromise is a strong theme in this adventure path.
     
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  17. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Do they?
     
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  18. Lacrymas Arcane

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    I think what we can glean from Milton is that angels fall first.
     
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  19. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    i want an army of satyr archers as trickster
     
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  20. Cleric of Asmodeus Learned

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    Oh my god I see that the CoTW guy already has a mod for the Alpha. Godlike
     
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  21. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Where?
     
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  22. Cleric of Asmodeus Learned

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    Sorry, I spoke too soon. Someone said they did but I checked the author’s GitHub and I don’t see anything.
     
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  23. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Srom.
     
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  24. Johnny Biggums Literate

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    I got the wrong weapon focus. Where can you retrain?
     
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  25. Catacombs Cipher Patron

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    Make the Codex Great Again! Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    You'll likely find an answer in the hundreds-upon-hundreds of pages in the ongoing Pathfinder thread.
     
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