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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous RELEASE Thread - now with Through the Ashes DLC

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by Dishonoredbr, Sep 2, 2021.

  1. Alienman Alien/Man Patron

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    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Just curious about length of game. So far I get the impression it is massive, bigger than Kingmaker. I'm in chapter 3, fairly early and I'm already 50-60 hours in :?

    Are the remaining chapters as huge?
     
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  2. Jaedar Arcane Patron

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    Project: Eternity Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Chapter 3 is the biggest one, but both act 4 and 5 are larger than act 1 and 2. I got a bit more than 100 hours in my finished playthrough.
     
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  3. Haplo Prophet Patron

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    Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    I beg you pardon?
    It gets bonus feats on level 1 and every even level - like the regular fighter. It gets Weapon Training at level 5 and upgrades every 4 levels - like the regular fighter.
    The only thing its missing is the armor training. But gets Mutagen at level 3 and Medical Discoveries every 4 levels thereafter.
    Not sure, but maybe you can even trade them for Combat Tricks to spam even MOAR feats then a regular fighter has.

    Not that you'd want to. You get extras like Bite attack, Feral Wings, potentially up to 75% Fortification.
    No, I don't think it looks good for the vanilla Fighter.
     
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    I just figured I would come into this thread to see what the debate on Paladins is.
     
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  5. Haplo Prophet Patron

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    Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    At level 20 you also have like +4 AB, +4-7 damage and +7 CMB and CMD over that vanilla Fighter. Also higher HP total. And potentially Heavy Fortification and/or Bite attack & Feral Wings.
     
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  6. Zboj Lamignat Arcane

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    Not sure if my post was somehow unclear, but it is definitely a very good subclass and an upgrade on vanilla by quite a distance. What I meant is that it became sort of like a new vivi and a lot of people seem to treat it like those stat and na bonuses jump at you right out of the gate, when the better mutagnes are quite far down the line, which is definitely a factor to consider, same as with a lot of other popular things (like going naked etc).
     
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  7. Daidre Arcane

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    Mutation Warrior is a good 5 level dip for some martials for the 3 extra feats, Mutagen and Weapon Training that could be boosted to +3 with gloves.
    I would rather call whole Archmage Armor thing a theorycrafting trap because:
    1) it is only +5 - 9 until the late Chapter 4 due to Mythic Level progression over main story.
    2) First 4 Mythic Feats tend to be extremely important for 99% of builds in the game, so wasting them on 1-4 extra Ac is awful.
    3) Game is extremely stingy (after Kingmaker) with Physical/Mental Perfection items and +Some Stat items that is not in Belt/Helm slots in general. I have never seen +6 and +8 Belt of Physical Perfection in the game and + 6 Mental Stats tiara's appear only in Chapter 5. There is also amazing helmet that competes for the head slot:
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    So it not that sunny for all those MAD builds who are STR-based melees but want to go for high unarmored AC with high DEX/CHA.

    Well, at least if you are not filthy bug abuser who can't leave home without Glory domain or three stacks of different Mutagens.
     
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  8. Haplo Prophet Patron

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    Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    I usually combo it with Sohei for extra attacks on Trained Weapons. The Mutagen is a nice extra on top of the fighter bonus feats. Only +4 to a primary stat and +2 AC, but still neat.
    Not sure if 5 levels still qualify as a "dip", but I consider them very worthwhile.
     
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  9. ArchAngel Arcane Sad Loser

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    Ok, so it is a good munchkin class to combine with Monks. Noted. I also agreed about that. But not everyone wants to play a Lawful character or cares for maximum numbers. This is why pure fighter is cool and armor training is nice for most of the game. I really don't care what lvl 20 or even lvl 19 or 18 gives. This game is finished by end of Act 4, Act 5 is just mopping up.
     
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  10. Daidre Arcane

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    For me, the most of the use from this archetype came from 3 level dip Mutagen Warrior on Greybor to fix his god-damn-awful build and make him tiny bit more useful with archery feats for dual-wielding throwing axes.

    Similar thing could be done with Woljif with only difference that he actually makes a damn good dual-wielding thrower. But I still achieved best results by reclassing him into Dragonheir Scion for extra proc of Elemental Barrage from Acid Arcane Strike and Frost Axe early:
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    But he got 24h long Angel buffs in this run and anybody is a monster under them.
     
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  11. Cyberarmy Love fool Patron

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    Interesting build, why did you pick the Slayer levels though?
     
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    I really wanted Slippery Mind at some point in early Chapter 4 to fix his lackluster Will saves. It was closest way to it without BAB loss and I've got Studied Target + 1 on top.
     
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  13. ArchAngel Arcane Sad Loser

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    Slippery Mind is really powerful on Wolfjit, not so on Greybor, especially if you cast Legendary spell on him.
     
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  14. razvedchiki Erudite Sad Loser

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    whats the best background for a mutation warrior (using greataxe)?
     
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  15. Humbaba Arcane

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    Yes

    "If you ignore all the things that are better than full plate, then full plate is the best"
     
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  16. Daidre Arcane

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    I would have taken something that turns Use Magic Item into class skill, for Scrolls and Mirror image wands. But it is useless with dumped CHA. Or Pickpocket, for +2 Initiative.
     
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    Lumberjack I guess.
     
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  18. D_X Ridi, Pagliaccio Patron

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    Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy RPG Wokedex Strap Yourselves In Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    I usually take pickpocket for +2 initiative unless I really want a specific skill as a class skill or some other benefit such as Aldori background for Dueling Sword proficiency.
     
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    CH3 is by far the biggest but a playthrough is about 100+ hours. Granted, crusade mode pads a lot of that time.

    Good, because Radiance is in the game but also bad because there already is a paladin companion.
     
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  20. razvedchiki Erudite Sad Loser

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    i wanna use a big iron on my hip not the toothpicks aldori use.
     
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  21. Humbaba Arcane

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    Gunslinger's not in the game tho :(
     
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  22. Haba Harbinger of Decline Patron

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    Any news about the DLC for this one? Still waiting for the "complete" game before starting a playthrough (100h+ investment is a luxury those days...)
     
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  23. Cryomancer Arcane Glory to Ukraine

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    CH 3 of this game is the most open, is like CH 2 of Baldur's Gate 2. You can rush to MQ and end quickly or play for dozens of hours.

    You can rush Ch 3 and left most quests to ch 5.

    Till moment, no. But according to hltb, WoTR is just 57 hours long > https://howlongtobeat.com/game?id=83856
     
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  24. Cyberarmy Love fool Patron

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    No word of DLC but they were planning on an even more epic scale DLC like Throne of Baal.
    Wrath is much shorter than Kingmaker, can be fully completed in 80-90 hours depending on how austic you are at crusade part. (games worst part in my opinion)
     
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    You could probably spend 57 hours in the character creator alone
     
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