Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous RELEASE Thread - now with Through the Ashes DLC

[Delterius]

I feel like I've been waiting for the final patches for so long i no longer remember how pathfinder works.

 

[Acrux]

Same. At this point I'm just waiting for the complete edition this fall.

 

[Haplo]

What do you know, they fixed Sword of Heavens activation when mounted.

....but more importantly, Dazzling Display still doesn't work mounted

 

[Desiderius]

Mithral Heavy Shields were too heavy – fixed

No Mithril Heavy Shields were fine. It was the Tower that was too heavy lol.

The Promise of Power ability was granted by the wrong relic – fixed

No, it wasn't on the wrong Relic, it was Standard Action instead of Free.

Seriously, can they get anything right?

The above are the first relevant fixes I've seen in a year and they still fucked them up, while leaving complete classes non-functional.

 

[Desiderius]

I feel like I've been waiting for the final patches for so long i no longer remember how pathfinder works.

Looking like same with the designers/bug fixers

 

[Herumor]

Are the DLCs even worth bothering with? I saw from online discussions that Inevitable Excess was considered to be absolutely shit.

 

[Artyoan]

Has there been an estimate as to when the roguelike DLC#3 is out? I haven't kept up with this game but I want that before starting play.

 

[razvedchiki]

some time in summer.

 

[mediocrepoet]

The Kickstarter page just lists July 2022.

 

[RunningWolf]

What spells should i pick to deal with mind-immune? Im going to play Demon DC ILLUSION Sorc. Hard and maybe Unfair if it gets too easy.

So far i think Sirocco, Hellfire, Slow and Baleful. Never used the latter two much, is stagger from Slow as OP as it seems? Does Baleful works on everything?
Then maybe i should grab another Expanded Arsenal: Transmutation, for Slow and Baleful both need it. Maybe even pick EA: Transmutation first, because Baleful is = Phantasmal(level higher but works on mind immune) and Slow is AOE(Wierd is only level 18)?

Any other spell suggestions? What do you use the most on DC casters?

 

[Desiderius]

Wolj makes a decent Transmuter. There’s a hat that lets you cast Slow swift and Obsidian Flow + Feather Step, Mass is a pseudostagger plus it turns on Fire Items. You can also go Conj to bypass SR. Stagger is great and there are a couple things that apply it no save. Freedom does override it in vanilla tho (fixed in TTT).

In general though beating mind-immune enemies is mostly about just nuking and bashing I think. CAM’s Hampering Hex is not mind-affecting (Evil Eye is).

 

[RunningWolf]

In general though beating mind-immune enemies is mostly about just nuking and bashing I think. CAM’s Hampering Hex is not mind-affecting (Evil Eye is).

I wanna go pure no mods. Maybe instead EA: Transmutation i should go Expanded Arsenal: Evocation for Sirocco, Chain Lightning, Stormbolts against mind-immune?

 

[Stoned Ape]

In general though beating mind-immune enemies is mostly about just nuking and bashing I think. CAM’s Hampering Hex is not mind-affecting (Evil Eye is).

I wanna go pure no mods. Maybe instead EA: Transmutation i should go Expanded Arsenal: Evocation for Sirocco, Chain Lightning, Stormbolts against mind-immune?

You'll probably want an ascendant element to go with that.

Useful items you can find to help

There's a pair of rings that give a spontaneous caster access to fire and ice spells on top of their chosen set, and also set of bracers that you can find that gives access to lightning based magic spells and allows all damage to be converted into electricity damage, which pairs particulatly well with ascendant element.

 

[Chippy]

I haven't been following this. When can I expect the Codex review?. All I want to really know is whether the game's story is tolerable, or too woke to bear. Or is the writing just crap.*

Features and gameplay sound pretty awesome.

*Wasn't there something about stretched out asses in this game? Or was that the Obsidian one? Tyranny I think. Trying to remember the line someone quoted on the Codex. I think it was: "I'm gonna fist your ass till it prolapses". Yeah, think that was it. So just wondering if Owlcat played that, got inspired, and said "We will give the Codex what they want: butthurt".

 

[Yosharian]

Strongly recommend waiting for the enhanced edition for this one

 

[Desiderius]

I haven't been following this. When can I expect the Codex review?. All I want to really know is whether the game's story is tolerable, or too woke to bear. Or is the writing just crap.*

Features and gameplay sound pretty awesome.

*Wasn't there something about stretched out asses in this game? Or was that the Obsidian one? Tyranny I think. Trying to remember the line someone quoted on the Codex. I think it was: "I'm gonna fist your ass till it prolapses". Yeah, think that was it. So just wondering if Owlcat played that, got inspired, and said "We will give the Codex what they want: butthurt".

The writing is crap. The wokelism is mostly quarantined, one-dimensional, and forced (so entirely unpersuasive and not even trying to be), though in your face up front it can after that largely be avoided depending on party comp. Of more concern it crowds out whatever good writing may have been there so that little survives (mainly in Daeran and Reg's companion stories, and Lann is what Eder's should have been though pretty perfunctory. Greybor underdeveloped as well despite promising fodder). Likewise in personnel decisions such as skimping on editors and axing Avellone/playtesters.

 

[Desiderius]

In general though beating mind-immune enemies is mostly about just nuking and bashing I think. CAM’s Hampering Hex is not mind-affecting (Evil Eye is).

I wanna go pure no mods. Maybe instead EA: Transmutation i should go Expanded Arsenal: Evocation for Sirocco, Chain Lightning, Stormbolts against mind-immune?

You'll probably want an ascendant element to go with that.

Useful items you can find to help

There's a pair of rings that give a spontaneous caster access to fire and ice spells on top of their chosen set, and also set of bracers that you can find that gives access to lightning based magic spells and allows all damage to be converted into electricity damage, which pairs particulatly well with ascendant element.

If Ascendant Element is relevant you're not doing enough damage. If you want to go Evo I'd focus on Meta and the Meta Mythics over Ascendant, unless you want to go Lightning. There's a Rod that converts all damage to Unholy (and for whatever reason all the foes are Evil but still take full damage from Unholy) while also Maximizing it.

 

[Stoned Ape]

If Ascendant Element is relevant you're not doing enough damage. If you want to go Evo I'd focus on Meta and the Meta Mythics over Ascendant, unless you want to go Lightning. There's a Rod that converts all damage to Unholy (and for whatever reason all the foes are Evil but still take full damage from Unholy) while also Maximizing it.

But isn't he better off just using rods for meta? He's playing a sorcerer who focuses on illusion primarily and thinking of something to use in specific circumstances when facing mind-immune enemies. Isn't it more of an investment to buy a feats and a mythic feat for something you're doing as a secondary function of your character? Also, casting metamagic as a full round action can be annoying when your target is sitting just out of range. Just spending one mythic ability seems much cheaper than buying feats that aren't as effective for most illusion magic on top of a mythic feat (which are more valuable than abilities) which only works on them rather than his primary function for his caracter.

 

[RunningWolf]

Metamagic feats are occupied by Heighten, Persistent, Selective. We're primarily DC casting. Got no feats for anything else, since i need those for spell focuses and spell pen. But Devouring Lust Rod is indeed great, because it allows me to delay Ascended Element and is available early Act 3.

 

[Yosharian]

I wish I could fit Reg into my group.. maybe he could replace Seelah, the STR loss is annoying though.

Also Seelah has +initiative which is meta for my skald

 

[Yosharian]

Although I've been thinking about running a Skald AND Bard since I found out that Lethal Stance and Inspire Courage stack...

Spoiler

 

[gurugeorge]

Although I've been thinking about running a Skald AND Bard since I found out that Lethal Stance and Inspire Courage stack...

Spoiler

I wonder if anyone's ever run a party with all the stacking auras - bard, skald, incense, judge. What else is there, in theory? Some of the Domain abilities (does Guarded Hearth fall under one of those already)?

I think the only problem is that with at least two of those (incense and judge) they have a convenience cost (the incense aura range is quite small, and the judge only has like 3 shares of judgements at max level IIRC, and that can't be changed by mythics, unlike the judgements themselves).

 

[Desiderius]

Metamagic feats are occupied by Heighten, Persistent, Selective. We're primarily DC casting. Got no feats for anything else, since i need those for spell focuses and spell pen. But Devouring Lust Rod is indeed great, because it allows me to delay Ascended Element and is available early Act 3.

You don't need Spell Pen.

This issue is one of the reasons I think EK is overrated compared to say Seeker Sorc. The idea that casters don't need many feats is not in fact the case.

I don't get the Heighten. Higher level spells are higher level because they're generally better. Use them. There are a lot of ways to get Meta Feats - Shamans can get them from Hexes. Open up you mind. But the point is once you have them you can use your Mythics on favorite Meta to stack them. You can even play Phantasmal Mage or a Magi to get another layer.

 

[Desiderius]

Although I've been thinking about running a Skald AND Bard since I found out that Lethal Stance and Inspire Courage stack...

Spoiler

I wonder if anyone's ever run a party with all the stacking auras - bard, skald, incense, judge. What else is there, in theory? Some of the Domain abilities (does Guarded Hearth fall under one of those already)?

I think the only problem is that with at least two of those (incense and judge) they have a convenience cost (the incense aura range is quite small, and the judge only has like 3 shares of judgements at max level IIRC, and that can't be changed by mythics, unlike the judgements themselves).

That's pretty much what Haplo and I do. There are too many to fit in one party tho. Judge is way too Swift clogged I think and even Hearth can get a little clunky if you want to cut things down in one or two rounds. You can burn one of your Incense upgrades to increase the range.

For my Unfair run I stacked as many AC Auras as I could find to avoid attax from regular mobs.

 

[Desiderius]

If Ascendant Element is relevant you're not doing enough damage. If you want to go Evo I'd focus on Meta and the Meta Mythics over Ascendant, unless you want to go Lightning. There's a Rod that converts all damage to Unholy (and for whatever reason all the foes are Evil but still take full damage from Unholy) while also Maximizing it.

But isn't he better off just using rods for meta? He's playing a sorcerer who focuses on illusion primarily and thinking of something to use in specific circumstances when facing mind-immune enemies. Isn't it more of an investment to buy a feats and a mythic feat for something you're doing as a secondary function of your character? Also, casting metamagic as a full round action can be annoying when your target is sitting just out of range. Just spending one mythic ability seems much cheaper than buying feats that aren't as effective for most illusion magic on top of a mythic feat (which are more valuable than abilities) which only works on them rather than his primary function for his caracter.

You're ideally using the Max Unholy Rod I think?, although combining that with the Electric Gloves gives Daeran Unholy Stormbolts. That still leaves Bolster and Empower along with Persistent or whatever. I usually want Persistent on my Illusionists and Favorite on that if they've fixed it now? Idk man, got a Phantasmal Mage run on hold for Enhanced Edition or whatever when they fix things so I don't have the experience yet I do with physical damage MCs and have forgotten half of what I have.

The full action problem is why I prefer Magi/Wiz/Arcanist for nuking over Spontaneous.

But yeah you make good points, it's just that they work the same against taking Ascendant.