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Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire + DLC Thread - now with turn-based combat!

Discussion in 'Obsidian Entertainment' started by TT1, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. AwesomeButton Proud owner of BG 3: Day of Swen's Tentacle Patron

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    You are right, but even that is very rare nowadays. It's always a subjective thing that, but IWD's storytelling, both in the base game and the expansions, gives me a sketch and lets my imagination complete the picture, the same way as a well written book would.

    Going off on a tangent again, that's what I think games' storytelling should always be aiming for. A game should be interactive, and the player doesn't have access to "the story, told-word-for-word the way that the writer intended it", but he co-writes it. The book's interactivity is more limited, as the reader can picture specific images or "camera shots" of what's described, and the author doesn't have control over that part, but in the game, both scenes and story can be interacted with. Contrast this with the "narrator text" which became all the rage since D:OS, and which rarely accomplishes anything, at least for me.
     
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  2. Lambach Arcane

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    Download whatever you want, there is no salvaging a game based on D&D 3.0 in which you can't control a full party. Imagine playing a non-caster class and having dozens of hours worth of gameplay consist of left-clicking stuff and watching passively as they die, only occasionally opening your inventory to pop a potion.
     
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  3. mediocrepoet First disciple of Mediocrites Patron

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    If only there was a rating that was both fabulously optimistic and retadred. Oh well.
     
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  4. mediocrepoet First disciple of Mediocrites Patron

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    I sort of agree with this. NWN sucks dick all day, but the people who were really into PWs and saw that as the evolution of online RPGs and who loved NWN for supporting that are a different sort. That's actually truer to TTRPGs than CRPGs are.

    Not sure what any of this has to do with POE 2 though.
     
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  5. AwesomeButton Proud owner of BG 3: Day of Swen's Tentacle Patron

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    Some bold words, that Beamdog made the game playable on modern PCs :)
    I've only played the original, community-patched. Though still want to do a playthrough of the EE, just to experience the differences in the ruleset, and create a half-orc barbarian.

    You know what could be really cool - make an LP of the turn-based Deadfire (yes, the turn-based!), with an all-custom party of codexer characters.
     
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  6. Fluent Erudite Patron The Real Fanboy

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    If that's the dumbest thing I said then by my standards I'm doing pretty well. :D

    But yeah, that was wrong of me to say. The game I think worked fine before the EE on most systems.
     
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  7. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    RPG Wokedex Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Minimal effort is a bit exaggerated. IWD had about the same density of voice acting as Baldur's Gate and had better graphics. It was just a smaller, simpler game.
     
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  8. Yosharian Magister

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    Same density of voice acting?
     
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  9. Yosharian Magister

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    Another cool idea would be to shave your balls with a rusty razor
     
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    Is that what happened to you? It all makes sense now.
     
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  11. TedNugent Arcane

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    I've started a playthrough on PotD, and I was very annoyed to find when I checked the combat logs against Benweth, he had 10 penetration with a fine saber. The detailed breakdown was 7 saber + 1 fine + 2 PotD.

    So PotD gives +15 to accuracy, +15 to deflection, and +2 to penetration.

    I feel like it would be easy to put this in the tooltip when you select the difficulty at the start of the game.
    :rpgcodex:

    The reason this troubles me is it makes me question even more the point of light and medium armor without AR bonuses.

    Even with base penetration, you have 7 penetration with most one handers against 7 on medium armors base AR. So that actually makes base AR for most weapons like spears, sabers, etc actually 9 on PotD, making even the base AR on heavy armor equal to the penetration of a base saber, meaning they get penetration, e.g. 100% damage. Would you not be better off just ditching armor rating above 5 in PotD unless you can somehow get at least +1 AR and heavy armor on a tank? The recovery penalties are not inconsequential, and penetration above = doesn't really matter until it doubles out.

    Luckily I built my crusader-faggot to have an AR aura and unbroken, so that trying to get some underpenetration is not completely pointless on him, at least.

    I am not a huge fan of how the armor rating system works...

    Also, my crusader's defensive and accuracy stats shit all over Eder. And he can heal. Great.
     
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  12. AwesomeButton Proud owner of BG 3: Day of Swen's Tentacle Patron

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    Harder TB combat encounters can take up to half an hour in my experience, which is yeah, not that interesting to a non-Deadfire player. But at the same time, there is a lack of good TB letsplays. It would give him the chance to be the go-to source if someone is looking into what is TB Deadfire like.
     
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  13. AwesomeButton Proud owner of BG 3: Day of Swen's Tentacle Patron

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    BTW, since it's a 56 mins video, it would be nice if you add timestamps so people can at least skip your presenting of the game options and go to the gameplay. You can always include the difficulty you're playing at in the description.
     
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    Other than the heaviest armor that can noticeably reduce damage coming from weaker enemies, but very rarely against the heavy-hitters, on PotD I pretty much didn't even bother with the actual Armor Ratings and looked at only the enchantments. Maia and Aloth finished the game in their starting armors and my Watcher finished the game with armor I found during the first 10% of the game or so. There are probably ways to stack a much higher armor rating on a character through abilities (Robust Inspiration gives +2 IIRC), other pieces of equipment, pets etc. but meh, in my party Eder face-tanks everything with his sky-high Deflection, those regenerative abilities and heals from the rest of the party. It's probably best to have everyone other than Eder and Pallegina in Light Armor or Robes for lower Recovery Time penalties. Medium Armor scales horribly, enemy Penetration will outscale any amount of armor you get from even a Legendary piece fairly early in the game and the Recovery Time penalty is hefty.

    Armor Ratings against elements are the only ones I payed attention to and made sure they're high because I wanted Aloth to be able to blast indiscriminately and not kill Eder in the process. Other than that, it's not really useful.
     
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  15. Butter Arcane

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    You're the resident contrarian. It's a wonder you're not already saying it.
     
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    I only seem like a contrarian because my opinions don't align with the codex hipster opinions.
    Like a normal person walking into a starbucks in portland and being called a contrarian.
     
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  17. NJClaw OoOoOoOoOoh Patron

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    Weird, IWD and IWD2 have always been two of my favorite games. How did the codex influence my opinions before I even knew of its existence?

    Discarding others' opinions as edgy, pretentious, and contrarian is fine, but it becomes ridiculous when you're the one shilling for Divinity: Original Sin and Fallout 76.
     
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  18. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    don't be mad at me because I'm not a hipster
     
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    Nobody is mad at you, rustolindo.

    You're the one who throws a hissy fit every time someone mentions that he likes IWD.
     
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    I'm just pointing out that you guys are hipsters for liking an IE game that has only combat
    and it's true
     
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    I'm just saying if you play Fallout 76 you are a faggot
    and it's true
     
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    As head of the official IWD Fan Brigade, I acknowledge your opinion and thank you for this invaluable contribution.

    Also, of course I play IWD exclusively for the combat...

    [​IMG]

    ...no other reason

    :shredder:
     
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    IWD (especially the first one) got a really good plot and some well written characters. Just because it doesn't have massive lore dumps, woke companions and endless walls of texts doesn't mean it "has only combat". I would still pick IWD over like 80% of modern "RPGs".
     
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    like all IE games, it's shit
     
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