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Decline PS4 wins the console war against XboxONE, yet it is a hollow victory as Consolesdämmerung is upon us

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Dexter, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Oh I know they have their little cat-fights about that shit but if they really, honestly cared about graphics they would be PC gamers. :smug:
     
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  2. Xor Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    It's not so much that they've grown stale, but that Nintendo just refuses to make the kinds of games that sell. Look at NSMB Wii - the first 2D mario on a non-handheld console in like 20 years, and it sold incredibly well. When it came out, the Wii went back to being sold out for months. And NSMB Wii wasn't even that good of a Mario game. People still want to play 2D mario, but Nintendo has said that they aren't interested in making those kinds of games. I'm sure if we got a Zelda that focused more on exploration (both dungeons and the overworld map) with less emphasis on story and no retarded gimmicks, it would sell just as well as Ocarina of Time did. Same thing with Metroid - an actual Metroid sequel would probably do incredibly well. Fuck, even the Prime games, which weren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, are better sequels than Other M, and they sold better too despite being on a console that literally sold less than 1/4 what the Wii did. Nintendo doesn't care, they just want to keep making the games that appeal to them specifically.

    I do doubt they'll go Sega though. Sega was terrible at the business end of things, while Nintendo is much more shrewd. They'll be able to stay as a console manufacturer as long as they're smart enough not to sell their products at a loss. And who knows, their next console could do as well as the Wii - that audience didn't just disappear, they just weren't interested in the Wii U.
     
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    No, Nintendo said they would only make one per console, and for good reason.

    Guitar Hero is the obvious example, but Sony milking countless successes into the ground with lots of sequels then forgetting about it when people get tired of them (God of War is just the most recent, but plenty of Sony franchises have suffered this) is a very telling warning.
     
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  4. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    I don't think anyone was blind to that with Guitar Hero. Some suits made the decision to get what they could out of it before it died, rather than pacing themselves, no doubt because they thought it was a fad no matter what. Even with something like Assassin's Creed you have to make the decision to turn down 7 million sales every November in the hope that pacing things more slowly results in a longer term franchise, but there's no guarantee of that. Long term stuff is rare and kind of random, so most suits would rather get what they can while something is hot. It's not ignorance, it's a conscious decision.
     
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    Project 'Beast' is the spiritual successor to Demon's Souls. Unveiled at the same time as The Last Guardian no less. Well, its jinxed -- welcome to development hell, sucker.
     
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  7. Black Arcane

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    Man, I love how "leaks" became just another part of the hype machine.
     
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  8. Ebonsword Arcane

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    I'm not so sure. These are video game company executives that we're talking about, after all.

    If they were really so savvy, they'd be investment bankers instead.
     
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    The inconsistant knowing and not knowing, plus the fact that I can't remember ANYONE's E3 lineup getting leaked as a whole, makes me call fake
     
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    The Last Guardian is one of about 5 PS3 games I thought would make the console worth it. Fuck you Sony.
     
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  11. Black Arcane

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    Spoke to soon, it's not even part of the hype machine yet, just some more bullshit from neofag, the sony fanboy central.
    Leave it to fucking Morgoth to think such rumours are worth posting.
    You make me sick. And every tard who brofisted you.
     
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  12. Morgoth Arcane Patron

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    :butthurt:
     
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    I don't think Nintento's going out of the console business for awhile, even with the WiiU being a dud. They've suffered through a similar catastrophe before with the Gamecube and they'll probably try and stick through it again.

    Plus people really underestimate how filthy, stinking rich Nintendo really is. Someone did a number crunch on the amount of money they have in their loot chest, and they reckon that it'd take eight years of continuous losses of the same level that they've been having for the past year before they'd run out of money.
     
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    Wasnt that 50 years, not 8? Also it looks like Wii U problem is marketing. Not a lot of people know about it and it was stupid call it that way since still some people could think its just accessory for Wii.
     
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    That's really not as much as it sounds. Generally companies don't wait to run out of money before they sell themselves to a new owner. Dunno who'd afford to buy Nintendo though, so there's that.
     
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    Google. Might as well get into the console business too. Gconsole, soon in a store near you.
     
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  17. Cowboy Moment Arcane

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    That definitely reads like Sony fanboy wishlist drivel straight from neogaf. Even discounting how unlikely a lot of these sound in general, there's plainly insane stuff in there, like Ninja Theory working on a sequel to Heavenly Sword? Yeah, declining developer who swore off console development in favor of F2P mobile is going to develop a sequel to a poorly performing PS3 launch title, sure. If Sony actually agreed to this, they're fucking retarded.

    Their real problem isn't so much that Wii U is a dud (much worse dud than Gamecube), but that this is a consistent trend with Nintendo consoles. If you discount the Wii, there's been a consistent decline in lifetime sales ever since the NES. They're on their way to complete irrelevance in the home console market and no amount of stockpiled money will help them here - it's not a problem with a single bad idea, but with their whole philosophy and how it seems misaligned with market trends.
     
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    So Project Beast is Demon's Souls with guns?
     
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  21. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Why do we give this shit the time of day?
     
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  22. Xor Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    The sooner Failure 4 comes out, the sooner we get New Vegas 2. :balance:
     
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    Shit, I really was hoping I wouldn't need a NEXTGEN fagbox/gaystation.
     
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