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KickStarter Realms Beyond: Ashes of the Fallen - Chaos Chronicles reborn! - now in COMBAT BETA

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Infinitron, Dec 21, 2017.

  1. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    The best thing is having party companions with their own story and quests while still having an option for party creation.
     
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  2. underground nymph Learned

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    totally understandable. dealing with something that is inherently flawed is far more hmm realistic, while a generated party will always tend to be a min/max competition.
    though one always can put in his own restraints, rules, and characters which he can roleplay as much as his imagination allows. this is a tough one, but a rewarding indeed. i have some relevant experience in IWD2 along with the rules how to generate a flawed characters with mildly interesting background. i’m sure though that people who are more experienced in lore and mechanics can do it much better. again ceres already made some efforts to give lore background to your generated characters through origins.

    won’t work since the temptation to overcome flaws of a pregen characters will always be irresistible.
     
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  3. Butter Magister

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    We have such stories among my people. Being underground is not for the Avariel.
     
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  4. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    The guy that gives the orders. He's the coolest ever, everyone listens to him. Incidentally it's also very easy to identify with him since it's you.
     
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  5. Dr Skeleton Cipher

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    For a more story orientated game (like PS:T) I like companions better, but for a more combat heavy game (like BG or IWD) I'd rather have full party creation. The problem with one character + companions is that it limits your party building and indirectly limits your only character creation too. Want to play a bard? But there is a bard companion at the start of the game, do you want to have 2 bards? Probably not. You want a party to have a druid, a barbarian and a ranged fighter? There's no companions in any of these classes, guess you can only have one of these, and it must be your main character. Maybe I don't want that short sword specialist fighter with 15 strength? Or maybe the only available cleric is good and I wanted to have an evil PC and party?

    And that is the optimistic variant (BG) where most companions are at least tolerable and not completely forced on you, in NWN2 for example not only are some companions shit, but you have no option to get rid of them and are forced to have them in the active party on many missions, which can fuck right off.

    It's true that full party creation has better potential for power-gaming, but it's more of game-specific encounter design and general difficulty issue, not an issue with party creation itself. You can balance the game around full party creation just as well as you can around knowing that the player will have that short sword fighter with 15 strength. And full party creation isn't just for power gaming, you can have weird or thematic parties: only dwarves, 5 barbarians and a druid, party of monks, no spellcasters, only spellcasters, no cleric, etc. In a game without full party creation you'll usually have some or even most of the same companions every time you play and the overall number of possible party compositions is a fraction of what full party creation offers.

    The leader that talks to NPCs? The entire adventuring party? Benevolent spirit that guides the heroes? Don't know, it's never been an issue for me.

    To me it's the opposite, I couldn't play Kingmaker with mercenaries, because the game was obviously designed around using the pre-made companions, even if some of them are annoying or their stats aren't what I'd like. A ton of content involves their part in the main quest, their personal sidequests and roles in the kingdom government, you could use mercenaries, but you'll miss a ton of content and generally have a poorer experience. I'd love a full party creation game using the Owlcat's engine, but Kingmaker and WotR aren't it.
     
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  6. Falkner Thread Decliner Patron

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    I still haven't played Wiz 8, but from what I can tell, it has a lot of distinct personalities and voice sets to choose from at character creation, and they will frequently comment on what is going on in the game.

    I would love to see more games go that route. Save the money and time you would spend on writing and voicing elaborate companions and go wild on that stuff. Give me a greedy personality that will try keep the loot for itself. Give me a creepy personality that other personalities in the party will comment on occasionally.

    I get that this has an exponential curve of complexity the more personalities you add, so I don't know how viable it is in terms of development, but I think it could be a good middle ground between pregen characters that limit the party building aspect and fully player-built parties that feel characterless.
     
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  7. Lacrymas Arcane

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    You know blobbers with full party creation have existed forever (in terms of gaming forever), right? I have never had trouble "identifying" with a pre-made party. Why would I need to "identify" with anyone at all? Seems ...abstract.
     
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  8. Lilura RPG Codex Dragon Lady

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    I like both FPC and preset companion pools, but Jagged Alliance 2 proves that deep preset pools with reactivity is supreme. Also, mixing the former with the latter isn't necessarily bad. See ToEE.
     
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  9. luj1 You're all shills

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    So, is the beta any gud. I'm looking for a good experience of tactical, 3.5-ruleset gameplay. Everything else is way secondary.
     
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  11. cyborgboy95 Literate

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    It seems like that they are running out of cash... Epic Exclusive soon?:troll:

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  12. Aemar Magister

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    The only game right now that would make me want to create an EGS account if that was to happen. It looks like we're still at least one year away from release.
     
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  13. Iluvcheezcake Arbiter

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    Uh oh
     
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  14. Thac0 Hopeless Optimist Patron

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    Lol game is about to die with a whimper before I ever heard much about it.

    I personally wouldnt care if they went EGS, I already have an account for Operencia. I am not gonna let a shoddy launcher get between me and a good game.
     
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  15. kain30 Savant

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    chaos chronicles is a cursed game
     
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  16. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    Looking for investors to fund the rest of the development...
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  17. Dodo1610 Magister

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    And I was starting to wonder where the money came from when they suddenly changed the release date to 2021 .:lol:
     
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  18. Iluvcheezcake Arbiter

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    Steam Early Access?
     
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  19. NJClaw Ontopolover Patron

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    Well, at least we got a cool-looking beta, I guess?
     
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  20. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Sooooo THQ....
     
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  21. cyborgboy95 Literate

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    The current build does not have levelling up, has a lot of issues and is missing a lot of systems. The game is not feature complete by any means and may get slammed on steam in its current state. Also think they need a substantial amount of backing. Moreso than initial EA sales can meet, specially for such a niche game.


    According to their discord, Black Geyser seem to have investors stuff already figured out, that's why they are able to delay it so much. Well, if things truly goes south for RB, then at least I can find some solace in roleplaying a dwarf barb Crushmast Crushmastersson in the supposed-meme game, I guess.:kingcomrade:
     
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  22. Jedi Master Radek Arcane

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    If Realms Beyond was a shitty game it wouldn't have any problems with founding.
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  23. V_K Arcane

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  24. cyborgboy95 Literate

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    Well, someone here said that this game always seemed too good to be true (but too good to doubt, as well), guess it shows... It's still one of my most anticipated title, if it ever comes out.

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  25. SausageInYourFace Codexian Sausage Patron

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    Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech Bubbles In Memoria A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    This cannot be, I gave them so much money..

    :shredder:

    Also, which CEO, I thought Hobgoblin was the main guy of this project?
     
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