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Codex Interview RPG Codex Interview: Chris Avellone on Pillars Cut Content, Game Development Hierarchies and More

Discussion in 'News & Content Feedback' started by Infinitron, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. Jasede Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron Sad Loser

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    I would show off a cancelled PoE 2 preorder but I never bought it because I'm not a retard. I feel sorry for the good guys that worked on it but they are truly better off working for another company.
     
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  2. 2house2fly Erudite

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    I'm sure your memories of working on Alpha Protocol are pure poison and you'd like to forget about it, but as a player I found it amazing. I've never played a game before or since where I felt like I was making such big ripples with even tiny actions, and the fact it bombed adds to the mystique, since sometimes I didn't know what I'd done to cause something to happen the way it did- compared to something like Bloodborne, whose popularity means you can just look up any little aspect of it on the wiki

    lol you're running out of things to grill him about at this point
     
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  3. Quillon Magister

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    :D who dis?
     
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  4. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    I didn't coordinate anything, but I will say I could have published the interview as much as a week earlier. You can ask Fairfax whether it's a coincidence that after years of interviewing, the final piece happened to be turned in two weeks before PoE2's release....

    azimuth
     
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  5. felipepepe Prestigious Gentleman Codex's Heretic Patron

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    This is very interesting. Among players this is often seen as "Bethesda is EVIL and screwed Obsidian out of their money", but seems like it was really a "good job!" bonus that Bethesda proposed and Obsidian simply failed to meet the expectations.

    This thread has been eye-opening in so many ways...
     
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  6. Quillon Magister

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    In a - Parker, believing what Avellone said, somehow firing Josh - scenario... would you feel guilty MCA? :D
     
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  7. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Some of the questions that people are asking ITT aren't new information. This is something that Feargus has admitted himself in interviews, as Chris states, though in less harsh language
     
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  8. Alpan Magister Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    There's much appreciation for the sauciness in MCA's revelations ITT, but hardly any indignation at what seems to be an obvious conclusion to draw from all this: Obsidian probably didn't need the Kickstarter to make Eternity, and even if they did, they almost certainly didn't need the Codex rallying on their behalf with a fundraiser of its own. The money probably helped line the upper management's pockets more than anything else. Probably something to consider the next time the Codex ponders being a champion of the old school cause.
     
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  9. CrustyBot Arcane Patron

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    Definitely. While we shouldn't get so swept up in believing everything MCA says as gospel simply because Chris' own perspective might not illuminate the entire truth of what goes on in his stories; it's certainly gotten me to re-examine the way I look at Obsidian and the tumultuous development process many of their games went through.
     
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  10. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Chris Avellone Two questions:

    1) Do you think Obsidian, in the past, has taken advantage of publishers by dragging development on longer than necessary to be able to keep a team employed for longer (which is virtuous in its own way, of course). I'm thinking in particular of South Park, which seems to have taken way too long to develop for what it is, and kept Obsidian alive through some hard times. Feargus has laid some of the blame for this on Trey Parker and Matt Stone for constantly changing requirements, but maybe that's not the entire truth. Another game that might fit this category is Alpha Protocol.

    2) What do you think of Dungeon Siege 3? Fans consider it forgettable, but my understanding is that within Obsidian the game is considered a milestone, the harbinger of what we call the "Nu-Obsidian" that prizes more efficient project management over the scope-busting excesses of the past.
     
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  11. Briosafreak Augur

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    Hmmmmmmmmm of course it was mainly Obsidians fault, but I got the press copies for review for both FO3 and F:NV, and they were both bugged to hell, yet the first got all 90% reviews, and New Vegas got three reviews from sites that had Bethesda publicity/sponsoring with less than 80% or 80%. So I wouldn't be so sure about the good faith of the marketing/management side of Beth, even if the development side is innocent of any wrongdoing. And as you know MCA I should know.

    <3 Chris Avellone
     
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    But Feargus wouldn't bad-mouth Bethesda in public, so anything he said in this sense could be read as "let's not burn bridges".
     
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  17. IHaveHugeNick Arcane

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    Ah, he finally mentioned Sawyer. The Avellonians and the Sawyerities can finally hug it out and have manly sweaty buttsex.

    :greatjob:
     
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  18. 2house2fly Erudite

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    Change your avatar or die.
     
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  19. L'Montes Educated

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    I felt compelled to make an account after reading 100+ pages of this (and reading about it on reddit/obsidian forums/etc.). I'd typically just lurk the reviews here.

    The original interview began so long ago, that is seems unlikely that there was any particular motive behind it. I'm a bit curious about the endgame of all the posts here since then, or... what he might hope would come of blunt appraisals of former staff/etc. Netizens clearly get off on the scandalous angle, but I'm just not sure what can come of it?

    It's sad though. I think given the opportunity to just shoot questions at Chris, I'd be more inclined to ask about his oeuvre than work scandals. At the same time, I remember shooting a question about PoE to the Obsidian Q&A at PAX, and whether their game with "free rein" had been limited or made overly conventional for some reason. It feels like at least some of the behind-the-scenes interactions have impacted the products I wound up with in a negative fashion.

    Also nice to see the memetic Sawyer/Avellone stuff shot down too though, I suppose.
     
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  20. Imoens pet Prospernaut Shitposter

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    Some guy named Gregorovitch over on steam, hates Chris.
     
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  21. Bester ⚰️☠️⚱️ Patron Vatnik

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    I remember a video from early POE beta, where they filmed a morning meeting. A vfx artist asked if the programmers could implement some simple console command to let him test spells easier in game somehow, I don't remember the details. And someone said "nope, impossible, sorry..." and there was some uncomfortable silence for 10 seconds. I was already familiar with poe's code at the time, so I knew that it would take literally 10-15 minutes to code, which I even did in the IEmod to test my idea.

    I was going like "but why... why? why didn't they help their colleague with something as simple? WHY?". Now I know why. I may have even posted about it here and received the usual "oh you so smart, smarter than everyone, fuck you bester you retard, Obsidian knows better".

    Also, I remember that presentation where Josh said it took them a month to make a revolver reload in FN:V and to be able to interrupt reloading. A month. Fucking Christ in a wheel chair. It was probably an owner who was doing it.
     
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  22. Imoens pet Prospernaut Shitposter

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    ;makes you think emote activate;
     
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  23. Sensuki Arcane Cuck

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    I remember this, we then sent the code to Obsidian and they said thanks, but we won't use it.
     
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    Oh, yeah, I completely forgot that we even sent it to them, it was like 20 lines. Hilarious.
     
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  25. Sensuki Arcane Cuck

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    I think Brennecke just veto'd it and that was that (but I'm not 100% sure on that). I spoke with Adler, I don't think I have the PM anymore but he was basically saying they weren't going to look at the IE mod code until after release.
     
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