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Give me an example of a game that somehow lost out on its potential solely to the presence of an anti-piracy wrapper.

That's not the point. Obviously DRM can't make a good game bad. It can make it inconvenient to play, though. And for who? For those who pay for it. Because, how about you give me an example of DRM that actually works? Absolutely none, except having the game on the company's servers and you just renting time to play it? Well, then that's what you'll have everywhere if you're gonna support whatever they do. Of course, I don't expect someone who admitted to buying Oblivion and Skyrim just because he couldn't resist not playing the latest shit to understand that lag and disconnects in a singleplayer game are unacceptable no matter the reason behind them. Ah, but wait, sometime everybody except poor people (and poor people suck lol) will have awesome internet connections and servers will never crash and no company will ever lock you out of your purchase.. erm I mean license for whatever reason. Yeah.

And yes, somehow I'm sure I'll live without playing the latest MM. Not sure why you're assuming I'll pirate it. Not that any of these is more harmful to them than the other.

If they want my money, they can go to Kickstarter so they don't have any investment to "protect" and get a DRM-free option.

Note that I'm not against all types of DRM, though. If they want to protect their product, it's their right*. Still, as someone who buys their product I'd like to have some rights too, not just the right to pay for it. And if I want to get my laptop on the crapper and play the game I bought there I better be able to do it without having to get wifi and activate one more computer (2 of 3 already, be careful now!!) because I fucking bought it and I don't think the EULA specifies that I can't play games on the crapper.

*Btw, serial numbers are pretty much OK and they do just as a "good" job in protecting as U-steamorigin.
 

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All this talk about DRM reminds me of this thread from 2011: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ecoming-good-ne-hurr-durr-obvious-joke.66581/

The people on the GOG.com forum are so annoying, it's 99% smarmy late twenties-early thirties Liberal manchildren living in their parents' basement. I can't stand how they always make speculating threads about GOG employees and constantly suck up to any one of them whenever one posts for pages on end like good little sycophants. Sure there are many other gaming communities where the ingratiating submissive behavior is pretty much the same, but I've never quite seen a community where it's virtually every single person posting in the exact same way with no character, variation or backbone whatsoever. Even Bioware Social isn't as bad in this regard.


Humanity has risen! said:
The people on the GOG.com forum are so annoying, it's 99% smarmy late twenties-early thirties Liberal manchildren living in their parents' basement. I can't stand how they always make speculating threads about GOG employees and constantly suck up to any one of them whenever one posts for pages on end like good little sycophants. Sure there are many other gaming communities where the ingratiating submissive behavior is pretty much the same, but I've never quite seen a community where it's virtually every single person posting in the exact same way with no character, variation or backbone whatsoever. Even Bioware Social isn't as bad in this regard.

Well, that confirms my opinion. It's also not so much the Good Ol' Games forum as it is the rabidly anti-DRM forum. They'd buy a turd if it were DRM free.

RRRrrr said:
I am not the only one thinking that all this stuff about games being drm-free is just an adverting trick. Right? Right?!

Bingo. They recognized a niche market and are milking it.


I'm relieved to see I'm not seeing things.

PLEAAAAAAAAAASE PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEE GOG RELEASE THIS 1995 DOS CLASSIC FROM WHEN I WAS A TEEN SO I CAN PLAY IT BEFORE CRYING MYSELF TO SLEEP EVERY NIGHT IN MY MOTHER'S BASEMENT

I HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR A 5.99$ GAME

EVERY DAY I PANIC THAT ONE DAY I MIGHT LOSE ACCESS TO MY 6 GAMES COLLECTION ON STEAM BECAUSE OF DRM

I WONDER WHAT COOK IS DOING RIGHT NOW?

That's 99% of GOG.com threads in a nutshell.

If they're so anti-DRM, why are they giving money to the same companies that enforce shitty DRM schemes like Ubisoft?


Excidium said:
If they're so anti-DRM, why are they giving money to the same companies that enforce shitty DRM schemes like Ubisoft?

Because most of them are morons. They rail against Steam and DRM but in the meantime buy shitty console ports. They think Valve is a bigger threat to PC gaming than games like Derp Space, Call of Derpies, and Derp Nerk'ems Forever.

Humanity has risen! said:
That's 99% of GOG.com threads in a nutshell.

Actually I daresay most of them are 25 or younger and never actually played the majority of GOG's catalog growing up. At least their taste in modern AAA games seems to betray that. It isn't so much Good Old Games as it is Shitty Console Gamers Who Hate Steam.

Pro-Steam post from HHR :lol:
 

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I actually don't mind a system like steam in and of itself. It has drawbacks, but is generally pretty flexible. If all else fails, I could copy my whole steam directory onto another computer 600 years from now and it'd all work fine. Good enough for me.

However, the idea of having to be registered to multiple fucking systems at once is fucking retarded. I need a Uplay password and a steam password? Really? Fuck that shit. God forbid it becomes popular and they decide they want their games to be exclusive and not show up on steam at all (which is fairly obviously their plan, since Uplay doesn't offer anything steam doesn't do already). Then I need to give my financial info out to another fucking source as well. And if you don't think this shit is going to happen to ubisoft eventually too, you're delusional. And even if ubisoft doesn't escalate things, it'll at the very least encourage more publishers to do this kind of thing. Maybe next we'll have to sign up accounts to buy Paradox games. How about another account for the guys who make Bloodbowl. And another for the guys who made the Witcher. And another account for the guys who did AI wars. It's just a simple registration and one time activation, no big deal right? None of them will ever go out of business after all, or get hacked, or falsely identify people as hackers and nuke their accounts, or use their leverage to quash dissent on their forums.

No, I'd rather throw a fucking hissy fit now thanks, when it's just Valve AND Blizzard AND EA AND Ubisoft (and probably more I don't know about) each requiring their own exclusive registration hoops to jump through if you want to play one of their games.
 

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FeelTheRads according to Gaben Valve has a way lower piracy rate in Russia than just about any other company. Sounds like DRM that's working to me.
 

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FeelTheRads according to Gaben Valve has a way lower piracy rate in Russia than just about any other company. Sounds like DRM that's working to me.

Sounds like cheap games due to sales to me. That's not DRM. That's business. Call me back when there's no sales anymore and we'll see if the piracy is that low then too.
 

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Sounds like cheap games due to sales to me. That's not DRM. That's business. Call me back when there's no sales anymore and we'll see if the piracy is that low then too.
I think it's a combination of everything. The fact that Steam is a useful platform, the fact that it's convenient, the fact that Valve sells directly to their customers and thus can charge less. That's the whole idea of course, is that Valve made DRM not harmful.
 
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All this talk about DRM reminds me of this thread from 2011: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ecoming-good-ne-hurr-durr-obvious-joke.66581/

The people on the GOG.com forum are so annoying, it's 99% smarmy late twenties-early thirties Liberal manchildren living in their parents' basement. I can't stand how they always make speculating threads about GOG employees and constantly suck up to any one of them whenever one posts for pages on end like good little sycophants. Sure there are many other gaming communities where the ingratiating submissive behavior is pretty much the same, but I've never quite seen a community where it's virtually every single person posting in the exact same way with no character, variation or backbone whatsoever. Even Bioware Social isn't as bad in this regard.


Humanity has risen! said:
The people on the GOG.com forum are so annoying, it's 99% smarmy late twenties-early thirties Liberal manchildren living in their parents' basement. I can't stand how they always make speculating threads about GOG employees and constantly suck up to any one of them whenever one posts for pages on end like good little sycophants. Sure there are many other gaming communities where the ingratiating submissive behavior is pretty much the same, but I've never quite seen a community where it's virtually every single person posting in the exact same way with no character, variation or backbone whatsoever. Even Bioware Social isn't as bad in this regard.

Well, that confirms my opinion. It's also not so much the Good Ol' Games forum as it is the rabidly anti-DRM forum. They'd buy a turd if it were DRM free.

RRRrrr said:
I am not the only one thinking that all this stuff about games being drm-free is just an adverting trick. Right? Right?!

Bingo. They recognized a niche market and are milking it.


I'm relieved to see I'm not seeing things.

PLEAAAAAAAAAASE PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEE GOG RELEASE THIS 1995 DOS CLASSIC FROM WHEN I WAS A TEEN SO I CAN PLAY IT BEFORE CRYING MYSELF TO SLEEP EVERY NIGHT IN MY MOTHER'S BASEMENT

I HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR A 5.99$ GAME

EVERY DAY I PANIC THAT ONE DAY I MIGHT LOSE ACCESS TO MY 6 GAMES COLLECTION ON STEAM BECAUSE OF DRM

I WONDER WHAT COOK IS DOING RIGHT NOW?

That's 99% of GOG.com threads in a nutshell.

If they're so anti-DRM, why are they giving money to the same companies that enforce shitty DRM schemes like Ubisoft?


Excidium said:
If they're so anti-DRM, why are they giving money to the same companies that enforce shitty DRM schemes like Ubisoft?

Because most of them are morons. They rail against Steam and DRM but in the meantime buy shitty console ports. They think Valve is a bigger threat to PC gaming than games like Derp Space, Call of Derpies, and Derp Nerk'ems Forever.

Humanity has risen! said:
That's 99% of GOG.com threads in a nutshell.

Actually I daresay most of them are 25 or younger and never actually played the majority of GOG's catalog growing up. At least their taste in modern AAA games seems to betray that. It isn't so much Good Old Games as it is Shitty Console Gamers Who Hate Steam.

Pro-Steam post from HHR :lol:

Aren't you able to see a difference between believing DRM is harmful, and the extreme fanboyism people develop about it? The two are not mutually incompatible.
 

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Okay, Rads, at least you're throwing semi-respectable punches now.

That's not the point. Obviously DRM can't make a good game bad. It can make it inconvenient to play, though. And for who? For those who pay for it. Because, how about you give me an example of DRM that actually works?

We can talk about the success and failures of anti-piracy all day. The only thing that's universally agreed upon is that it's not going away. Your stance is that "people like me" are perpetuating that fact. My stance is that I just want good games and the companies that produce them to survive and to prosper. Is it so bad to accept the fact that companies are going to be forced to utilize these kinds of steps, in many cases, in order to achieve that? Who's right? Who's wrong? Is it your opinion that all forms of DRM are simply cash grabs? Because it's not mine.

Of course, I don't expect someone who admitted to buying Oblivion and Skyrim just because he couldn't resist not playing the latest shit to understand that lag and disconnects in a singleplayer game are unacceptable no matter the reason behind them.

Oh, come now. Dost thou livest in a glass house, perchance? I don't have to explain my CRPG pedigree to you; I'll just resort to my man in a desert analogy/excuse. And what lags or disconnects are you talking about? In Skyrim? o_O

Ah, but wait, sometime everybody except poor people (and poor people suck lol) will have awesome internet connections and servers will never crash and no company will ever lock you out of your purchase..

The poor people argument is horseshit. Poor people don't have computers and can't afford to purchase games. If they try to use their lack of financial success as an excuse to pirate games they're still dishonest scumbags. The requirement of some games to have an always-on connection and the fact that their servers will someday be no longer available I will agree with you on, however. Is UPlay always on? I suppose that might be a problem.

And yes, somehow I'm sure I'll live without playing the latest MM. Not sure why you're assuming I'll pirate it. Not that any of these is more harmful to them than the other.

I'm sorry for assuming you're the type to steal software but from the second sentence there I'd certainly question your morality, if you're insinuating that pirating never hurts anyone and that it's therefore okay to do.

If they want my money, they can go to Kickstarter so they don't have any investment to "protect" and get a DRM-free option.

FWIW I think Kickstarter is a great idea in concept, but please remember that we've literally seen zero KS products actually released so far so I'd be careful to follow that particular piper just quite yet if I were you.

Note that I'm not against all types of DRM, though. If they want to protect their product, it's their right*. Still, as someone who buys their product I'd like to have some rights too, not just the right to pay for it. And if I want to get my laptop on the crapper and play the game I bought there I better be able to do it without having to get wifi and activate one more computer (2 of 3 already, be careful now!!) because I fucking bought it and I don't think the EULA specifies that I can't play games on the crapper.

Okay, well, now we're getting somewhere. You agree with some forms of DRM and I would assume it's due to a fundamental reasoning within you that says people who make things should get paid for them. Excellent. And you're right about the crapper thing. If you want to play M&M X while taking a shit that should be your right. I would think Limbic and even Ubisoft would agree with you on that in principle; I can't speak for them.

But that's not reality. In the real world these companies have to do something, whether according to their producers simply demanding by contract that they do, or as a producer them looking at the bottom line and trying to make some effort, as little an impacting one as they can, to at least slow the pirateers down some. But this argument is ages-old. We're not going to cover any new ground here.

I'll just end my stance by re-stating that until someone can show me that DRM has resulted in the collapse and ruin of the computer roleplaying game industry, and as long as it's not inconveniencing me within a reasonable standard, I'm not going to overly bitch about it nor skip potentially good titles due to its presence.

It's reasonable to expect ubiquitous internet access now. Unless you're poor, yes. It's reasonable to expect some protection in place. It's not reasonable to attempt to flock so many to your banner under the guise that DRM is causing irreparable harm to this industry, because it can't be shown to be. I'm not saying you're doing that, but then again I'm not trying to sway people that DRM is always good. I'm just a gamer like you are.
 

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The poor people argument is horseshit.

I made no argument with that. I was being sarcastic about the typical defense of always online (which you also do) that only poor people could ever have problems with it.

I don't have to explain my CRPG pedigree to you;

In that case don't come off as high and mighty for supposedly helping incline by buying MM when on the other hand you're fueling decline.

And what lags or disconnects are you talking about? In Skyrim?

No. In always online games. And it's not relevant that U-Play is not always online. If things go like this, it will be. Because, just like all others protections it doesn't really protect anything. And they'll just keep trying more and more intrusive methods until you'll get to always online everywhere.

I'm sorry for assuming you're the type to steal software

Don't be. I am that type. But if I won't buy the game out of a principle, then I won't pirate it either. My point is that playing it is not a necessity so no reason to pirate it either, really.

if you're insinuating that pirating never hurts anyone and that it's therefore okay to do.

I'm insinuating that if the game was already pirated (which you don't seem to have problems with if you're OK with downloading cracks) and I download it, I don't do anymore harm than simply not buying it. But hey "this argument is ages-old. We're not going to cover any new ground here."

It's reasonable to expect some protection in place.

Some protection is far from installing separate shit. And since some do it just fine without any protection, then you will never convince me that the other extreme is valid.
 

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If things go like this, it will be. Because, just like all others protections it doesn't really protect anything. And they'll just keep trying more and more intrusive methods until you'll get to always online everywhere.

Again, they already tried this. It didn't work. It was a pain in the ass for everybody. It's not coming back.

Steam-type DRM is the status quo of the industry, and it's not going to change, in either direction.
 

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Again, they already tried this. It didn't work. It was a pain in the ass for everybody. It's not coming back.

Steam-type DRM is the status quo of the industry, and it's not going to change, in either direction.

Yeah, we'll see. I'm sure it will be everywhere when the infrastructure will allow it and since we already have people defending it then there won't be anything to stop it. Steam-type DRM is the status quo now because of the convenience of selling your games from one platform not because it actually protects anything since some games have other DRMs besides that as well.
 
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Fuck Steam. I'm never going to install that piece of crap bloatware. And Fuck UPlay too.
 

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Anyway, has anyone else read this article on spong? http://spong.com/feature/10110998/First-Look-Might-and-Magic-X-Legacy

I found the game to be very intuitive to play and even in the Alpha build I experienced at PAX East, it was clear the developers had taken a lot on board from recent advances in game creation while maintaining the spirit of Might & Magic 5 & 6.

...

Initially it will be for the PC, but I can quite easily see the game appearing on console platforms as well as tablets.

Can't do anything but speculate right now, but I'm really hoping the flagship series doesn't get dumbed down for the casual gamer to the point where it's just another mediocre fun-for-a-bit iPad time killer. Limbic's home page is already enough to make me do some (perhaps unnecessary) pre-cringing.
 
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It's a Might and Magic game. It's accessible by its very nature.

Retard said:
Might & Magic 5 & 6 followed this principle of grid based movement while controlling multiple party members at the same time. Like the rest of the RPG genre, the creators of the Might & Magic series fell in line with the rest of the scene by mimicking the movement of Ultima Underworld for subsequent titles and it never quite fitted into this mode.
:lol:

I also like how clicking on the "Might and Magic 5" link takes you to a search that only returns HoMM 5.
 

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We talked about that preview in the main thread in GRPG. It sucks.
 

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This looks really exciting, I did not read through the whole comments so if the subject came up already I am sorry...
Everything they mention screams MM6-7 so why do they say the game is more based on MM4-5?
What exactly makes the game more like Xeen than the 6-7?
 

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I want to say art direction as well. We haven't seen that many screenshots, and apparently they are using some Heroes of Might & Magic VI art assets... but I think Legacy will have more of that vibrant, 2D cartoonish feel of Xeen more than the 3DO titles.
 

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I had a dream that I somehow got my hands on a pre-release version of the game (complete with code wheels because, you know, dream). Then I woke up, realized it was a dream, and had That Feel. You know, the one you get when you remember nothing good ever happens in the real world.

Moral of the story: I really, really want to play a turn-based blobber.
 

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I had a dream that I somehow got my hands on a pre-release version of the game (complete with code wheels because, you know, dream). Then I woke up, realized it was a dream, and had That Feel. You know, the one you get when you remember nothing good ever happens in the real world.

Moral of the story: I really, really want to play a turn-based blobber.


i had that one too, my dream is true though. :smug:
 

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