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Codex Review RPG Codex Review: Cyberpunk 2077

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  1. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Tags: CD Projekt; Cyberpunk 2077

    By the usual standards, CD Projekt's latest mega-AAA hit Cyberpunk 2077 should have been considered a huge success. It reviewed well enough on PC and managed to recoup its entire development cost via pre-orders alone. However, the game's console ports were a disaster, and in a year when we all had enough too much free time on our hands, it was enough to generate a massive negative publicity firestorm for the company, including class action lawsuits and an investigation by the Polish government. Several days ago CD Projekt published a video with CEO Marcin Iwinski apologizing for the poor state of the game, and a few days later it scored a comparatively pathetic seventh place in our all-important Codex GOTY poll. Now would be the perfect time to publish our own official review of Cyberpunk 2077, and thanks to a surprise contribution from esteemed user lukaszek, we actually managed to pull that off. It's a thorough examination of the game, including character building, combat, open world elements, quest design and itemization. Here's an excerpt from the review:

    You might wow an NPC in dialogue with your tech knowledge. All it will accomplish is the NPC not coming up with the same solution in the next sentence. In most cases it doesn’t matter what you say, as the outcome will be the same. The quest design formula is usually as follows (main story quests included):
    • You speak with a fixer. It’s either a recorded video message or a long dialog. If you get a chance to speak, there’ll be many options to pick, but nothing will matter, as you’ll get your objectives anyway.
    • You follow the quest compass and there might be a locked door. If it’s locked, you might be able to unlock it. If you can’t – go jump out of the nearest window. Do it at full speed and without checking what’s behind. You will land safely on a balcony and will clearly see how to jump or climb to another open window. Sometimes it will be a ladder in the back of the building, but you get the idea.
    • There will be enemies. Kill them silently, go blasting, sneak past them – it doesn’t matter.
    • Approach the objective. There might be an optional pacifist option here, but that’s rare.
    • Escape the area.
    • Get a phone call.
    Every. Single. Time.

    On rare occasions the game will surprise you. Instead of following the quest marker on autopilot, there might be hidden objectives for you to unlock if you step off the marked path.

    The start of the game is like Dragon Age: Origins. You get 3 origins that all forcefully converge into one path – one of the street kid. Without spoiling too much, you’ll get a choice at the end of the main storyline that mirrors each lifepath, but has nothing to do with your original choice. It’s all about flavor and some unique responses that, as I stated, usually don’t matter. The corp path is quite sad as you’re a suit for a few minutes, but the rest of the game has nothing to do with it. In that prelude, you’ll be forced to play a weakling vomiting from stress in the bathroom, while corp lines are usually about strong-handling NPCs to make them do what you want. Nomads and Street Kids can sort of continue their life. The corp origin also gets the weakest extra quest compared to the other two (although you do get the best tech pistol in the game).

    Endings are not like in The Witcher where you have to live with your choices. You get a special save point, and after you end the game, you return to that save with a unique item based on the choice you’d made during the last quest. You can rinse and repeat to experience and obtain everything. A few endings are locked behind certain characters liking you, meaning completing their optional quest chains and not annoying them during dialogues. This is the only lasting consequence to your actions that I’ve found.

    For example, consider blasting a powerplant during the main story – all you’ll see is a news flash during the loading screen or while waiting in an elevator. Side quests don’t get even such mentions.​

    Read the full article: RPG Codex Review: Cyberpunk 2077
     
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  2. razvedchiki Erudite Sad Loser

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    many decent games havent got a review and this one gets one so soon?
     
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  3. Hóngwèibīng Arcane Vatnik Wumao

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    deterministic system > RNG

    Right, lukaszek? :smug:
     
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  4. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    The word "determinism" does not appear in this review, but do enjoy the random Gorasul reference.
     
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    "You can't review a game until it's actually finished!(tm)"
     
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    Potato preordered and slurped up potato game. Standard.
     
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    Oh momma this thread is gonna be spicy.
     
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  8. Zeriel Arcane

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    I'm impressed that even not mentioning the massive number of unfinished things in the game even including basic UI elements (yeah, I know he talked about the UI, but I mean literally missing assets) it still makes the game sound terrible. :salute:
     
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  9. Turjan Arcane

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    Good review, even though your experience regarding technical details of the GTA-like components may differ.

    Minor quibble regarding this:
    That's not true. For example, the result of the River quest line gets news coverage. However, the general impression is that the news coverage hardly changes, which gets more obvious the more of the extra content you do. The main quest overwhelms everything else in this regard.
     
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    Comparing this unfavourably to shit like fallout 4 or skyrim really doesn't bode well.

    I really don't understand how cdpr manages to make so many aspects of their games worse with every try.
     
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  11. Xeon Augur

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    Aren't reviews made by volunteer members? I mean if someone reviews a new game then he can probably submitted to a mod and get approval for Codex review or something.

    Pretty good review. Cheers.
     
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  12. TemplarGR Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    RPGCodex is full of potatolanders. Gotta pay the bills.

    The vast majority of CRPGs compare unfavourably to those 2.
     
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  13. lukaszek the determinator Patron

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    doesnt give due credit really. While I was hoping to be rejected early he used some dirt psychorat tricks to make me finish this review, then made quite an effort to make it readable
     
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    So in 2021, if you want to play a good cyberpunk action RPG with cyberware enhancements, hacking and realtime combat, Dex from 2015 is still the game of choice...
     
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    I never understood the preorders anyway. If a game comes out in 6 or 12 months you might as well wait until its ready.

    Now you have millions of people who feel buttraped (not that they won't get the DLCs all the same)
     
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  16. lukaszek the determinator Patron

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    Can't say I was following reviews coverage closely but from what I saw everyone was focused on bugs and not on actual game. I did start writing due to me hating a lot of design choices.
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    actually I started to write because of gorasul

    I was intentionally trying to put bugs aside, trying to see game that could have been/might look like few months from now.

    In many cases it was quite impossible. Is it bug? Design choice? Bug that was covered with rushed feature? Game might really look different once issues are resolved 1 year from now, Id say that currently we are having true alpha release. As such I did cover some bugs while leaving others out

    Also I cant say my coverage was exhaustive, whole review was like a rant already(Dariusz helped with that) and I did try to close it somehow
     
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  17. lukaszek the determinator Patron

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    was a while since i played gta. In general I was asking myself why im not playing gta5 instead quite a lot.
    In general I felt like gta never tried to be a shooter. Meanwhile cp77 did and failed spectacularly.

    I dont follow. Line you quoted was to show fake world reactivity. Instead of having part of town without electricity - you get news flash. You get news flashes for a bunch of quests up to the point you get surprised whenever they are missing.
    For example taxi quest
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    one of resolutions is delamain leaving night city. How come there are no mentions about this?

    Or maybe I did miss time window to see the news. Too bad you dont get those over radio.

    Still my point was how in cp77 game reactivity is basically ending elevator slides
     
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    lukaszek I can't say anything about Cyberspace because it does not interest me but GTA V has many problems of its own.

    For example it is a gigantic loading screen simulator. It feels really strange when you booted up Windows from your SSD in 10 seconds, then run a shitty Rockstar launcher (which might fail, update etc), then it takes 2-3 minutes to get to the main menu and followed by another 5 monites until you are in the actual game. It is really, really bad, and I doubt Cyberspace has prepared you for this shock.
     
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    Not to be overly pedantic about the powerplant thing but you can actually overhear NPCs talking about how they're losing their jobs because some idiot blew up the powerplant. Think it reflects a lot on how the attempt to integrate consequences into the world tend to fall flat because it becomes so easy to miss them. See also unmarked quest follow-ups and so on.
     
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    The review was kinda shit. It feels like a few gameplay aspects were evaluated in a vacuum and not enough effort was spent trying to convey some sense of what the hell playing the game actually feels like, what the game is supposed to be about, what its appeal was meant to be, and how well it holds up to that. I get that CP2077 was a disjointed mess, but that doesn't mean the review should be too.

    Also, I have no idea why you would call a game "mediocre" in the end when every part of the review is basically "this shit sucks." "Mediocre" is what you call a game that is bland and average but playable just fine without any real reasons to really want to play it. This game is just bad.
     
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    This gonna be a good read.
     
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    You call this out of the ordinary, I just call it an accurate representation of traffic in Poland.
     
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    I disagree
     
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