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RTS modified into a unique RPG

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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Reverse Majesty. If AI has enough resources it will upgrade shops, letting you buy more advanced equipment.
 

Blutwurstritter

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Specifically AoE2 would have been an awesome base to rebuild into a proper RPG. Can't get enough of AoE2's fantastic aesthetics, somehow they managed to make it even better in definitive edition.

Looks like they actually put in effort huh.
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(Both a ~15 year gap)
Is that the Pimp-my-Ride Edition on the right-hand side? I don't remember the HD version looking like that.
 

deama

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OP you could try to make a map mode like this in Warcraft 3 (or any of its clones) since these RTS's already have heroes that level up their abilities and attributes and have inventories.

The hero abilities and the inventories are so basic though, and there's not much room for good encounter design. And the camera sucks.
Actually there are some insane maps/campaigns done for warcraft 3, I remember several mmorpg-esque grand ones like TKOK eastern kingdom with a fully fledged ability tree, inventory system, complex raid-like bosses, etc..
 

Tavernking

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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Have you ever played an RTS before? That wood could be used to build buildings or create new units. Every enemy villager NPC you kill slightly impacts the overall economy of the enemy faction. Every enemy soldier you kill means one less soldier your faction will have to face later when attacking/defending. Whereas in almost all RPGs if you don't kill an enemy soldier during a mission that soldier ceases to exist after the mission ends anyway and that soldier never really had any impact on the wider world around him.
 

Axioms

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Isn't this just Warlords BattleCry 3 campaign mode? Actually they had full on saveable "characters" as well that had skill trees and items.
 

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Have you ever played an RTS before? That wood could be used to build buildings or create new units. Every enemy villager NPC you kill slightly impacts the overall economy of the enemy faction. Every enemy soldier you kill means one less soldier your faction will have to face later when attacking/defending. Whereas in almost all RPGs if you don't kill an enemy soldier during a mission that soldier ceases to exist after the mission ends anyway and that soldier never really had any impact on the wider world around him.
What you're describing sounds like an RTS, except the player only controls one unit.
 

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I remember Heroes of Annihilated Empires which was meant to be a multipart series but only released one part and was some RPG-RTS-Mix, but it didn't feel so much like it?

What really felt like it was the campaign mode of Cultures 2 - at least in a few missions. Oh man, I really should replay that game somewhen in the future.
 
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Specifically AoE2 would have been an awesome base to rebuild into a proper RPG. Can't get enough of AoE2's fantastic aesthetics, somehow they managed to make it even better in definitive edition.

Looks like they actually put in effort huh.
New-Project.png

(Both a ~15 year gap)

Graphical enhancement means tracing all the character sprites with a black line amirite?
 
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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Reverse Majesty. If AI has enough resources it will upgrade shops, letting you buy more advanced equipment.
Turn game on, go to sleep, wake up and buy good gear.
 
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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Reverse Majesty. If AI has enough resources it will upgrade shops, letting you buy more advanced equipment.
Turn game on, go to sleep, wake up and buy good gear.
Player not completing enough jobs in a certain time period leading to town/city destruction is added to counteract this .
 
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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Reverse Majesty. If AI has enough resources it will upgrade shops, letting you buy more advanced equipment.
Turn game on, go to sleep, wake up and buy good gear.
Player not completing enough jobs in a certain time period leading to town/city destruction is added to counteract this .
How is this different or superior to -- theoretically -- Underrail merchants having better items to sell after solving the issues in Foundry which are causing a major supply disruption?
 
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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Reverse Majesty. If AI has enough resources it will upgrade shops, letting you buy more advanced equipment.
Turn game on, go to sleep, wake up and buy good gear.
Player not completing enough jobs in a certain time period leading to town/city destruction is added to counteract this .
How is this different or superior to -- theoretically -- Underrail merchants having better items to sell after solving the issues in Foundry which are causing a major supply disruption?
When did Underrail come up again?
 
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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Reverse Majesty. If AI has enough resources it will upgrade shops, letting you buy more advanced equipment.
Turn game on, go to sleep, wake up and buy good gear.
Player not completing enough jobs in a certain time period leading to town/city destruction is added to counteract this .
How is this different or superior to -- theoretically -- Underrail merchants having better items to sell after solving the issues in Foundry which are causing a major supply disruption?
When did Underrail come up again?
in my post just now
 

InD_ImaginE

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OP you could try to make a map mode like this in Warcraft 3 (or any of its clones) since these RTS's already have heroes that level up their abilities and attributes and have inventories.

The hero abilities and the inventories are so basic though, and there's not much room for good encounter design. And the camera sucks.
Actually there are some insane maps/campaigns done for warcraft 3, I remember several mmorpg-esque grand ones like TKOK eastern kingdom with a fully fledged ability tree, inventory system, complex raid-like bosses, etc..

TKOK Eastern Kingdom is just amazing from the technical standpoint

They basically make character have normal RPG style inventory (like helm, armor, glove, 2 rings, necklace, boots, etc).

Skills is upgraded through big skill trees.

And yeah the bosses is like something out of MMORPG raid.

There are people making FPS esque game with World Editor too. It is one of the most powerful modding tools with very active community
 
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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Reverse Majesty. If AI has enough resources it will upgrade shops, letting you buy more advanced equipment.
Turn game on, go to sleep, wake up and buy good gear.
Player not completing enough jobs in a certain time period leading to town/city destruction is added to counteract this .
How is this different or superior to -- theoretically -- Underrail merchants having better items to sell after solving the issues in Foundry which are causing a major supply disruption?
When did Underrail come up again?
in my post just now
Okay. It depends on what the game is supposed to focus on. If it's just a Hallway simulator with combat and NPCs existing only as a way for you to get XP/gold or buy stuff and do nothing else outside of that, then Underfail has that covered. The game is you the player making things happen by simply following the prescribed narrative path designed around your character and things happening pretty much only when you trigger conditions to go to the next part of the questline.

If you'd rather have a game that's more open where things can happen on their own like AI factions expanding, changing borders, etc. while you're just a person in the simulated world interacting with that world and what happens, then it's a big difference, especially in terms of the focus of the game. This approach is geared towards a sandbox game.

Do you want a sandbox game or an area box traversal story game?
 
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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Reverse Majesty. If AI has enough resources it will upgrade shops, letting you buy more advanced equipment.
Turn game on, go to sleep, wake up and buy good gear.
Player not completing enough jobs in a certain time period leading to town/city destruction is added to counteract this .
How is this different or superior to -- theoretically -- Underrail merchants having better items to sell after solving the issues in Foundry which are causing a major supply disruption?
When did Underrail come up again?
in my post just now
Okay. It depends on what the game is supposed to focus on. If it's just a Hallway simulator with combat and NPCs existing only as a way for you to get XP/gold or buy stuff and do nothing else outside of that, then Underfail has that covered. The game is you the player making things happen by simply following the prescribed narrative path designed around your character and things happening pretty much only when you trigger conditions to go to the next part of the questline.

If you'd rather have a game that's more open where things can happen on their own like AI factions expanding, changing borders, etc. while you're just a person in the simulated world interacting with that world and what happens, then it's a big difference, especially in terms of the focus of the game. This approach is geared towards a sandbox game.

Do you want a sandbox game or an area box traversal story game?
sandboxes are boring, I don't want to make my own fun I just paid $60 for someone to make my fun
 
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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Reverse Majesty. If AI has enough resources it will upgrade shops, letting you buy more advanced equipment.
Turn game on, go to sleep, wake up and buy good gear.
Player not completing enough jobs in a certain time period leading to town/city destruction is added to counteract this .
How is this different or superior to -- theoretically -- Underrail merchants having better items to sell after solving the issues in Foundry which are causing a major supply disruption?
When did Underrail come up again?
in my post just now
Okay. It depends on what the game is supposed to focus on. If it's just a Hallway simulator with combat and NPCs existing only as a way for you to get XP/gold or buy stuff and do nothing else outside of that, then Underfail has that covered. The game is you the player making things happen by simply following the prescribed narrative path designed around your character and things happening pretty much only when you trigger conditions to go to the next part of the questline.

If you'd rather have a game that's more open where things can happen on their own like AI factions expanding, changing borders, etc. while you're just a person in the simulated world interacting with that world and what happens, then it's a big difference, especially in terms of the focus of the game. This approach is geared towards a sandbox game.

Do you want a sandbox game or an area box traversal story game?
sandboxes are boring, I don't want to make my own fun I just paid $60 for someone to make my fun
Zoom zoom.
 
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It's all about feeling that ones decisions have real consequences for the gameword, that they are something more than a generic "thank you adventurers for help"
What consequences? What do you mean? How is the wood pile increasing going to affect the game world?

Reverse Majesty. If AI has enough resources it will upgrade shops, letting you buy more advanced equipment.
Turn game on, go to sleep, wake up and buy good gear.
Player not completing enough jobs in a certain time period leading to town/city destruction is added to counteract this .
How is this different or superior to -- theoretically -- Underrail merchants having better items to sell after solving the issues in Foundry which are causing a major supply disruption?
When did Underrail come up again?
in my post just now
Okay. It depends on what the game is supposed to focus on. If it's just a Hallway simulator with combat and NPCs existing only as a way for you to get XP/gold or buy stuff and do nothing else outside of that, then Underfail has that covered. The game is you the player making things happen by simply following the prescribed narrative path designed around your character and things happening pretty much only when you trigger conditions to go to the next part of the questline.

If you'd rather have a game that's more open where things can happen on their own like AI factions expanding, changing borders, etc. while you're just a person in the simulated world interacting with that world and what happens, then it's a big difference, especially in terms of the focus of the game. This approach is geared towards a sandbox game.

Do you want a sandbox game or an area box traversal story game?
sandboxes are boring, I don't want to make my own fun I just paid $60 for someone to make my fun
Zoom zoom.
nothing in mountain blade or kenshi will ever get close to being anywhere near as interesting as a mediocre handcrafted game, and those are the best the subgenre has to offer
 

JarlFrank

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nothing in mountain blade or kenshi will ever get close to being anywhere near as interesting as a mediocre handcrafted game, and those are the best the subgenre has to offer

Gotta agree with Rusty there, ultimately most of those sandbox games feel purposeless after a while because there's no real goal to strive towards and all the content essentially repeats since there are no hand-crafted special encounters and quests.
 
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Not video game, but I kind of tried that for a D&D campaign. My players can vouch for that on the 'Dex. Basically I played with friends a 4x medieval strategy boardgame, and with another group (dexers), I played a D&D campaign. Both influenced each other. At some point there was even quests givens from the first to the second group.

I had to stop because of various reasons, the main one was that the first group was not steady enough (although we kept the second group campaign running). It was a very fun experiment and if the first group had been more diligent, it could have been extremely interesting in the long run.
 

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