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Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by potatojohn, May 21, 2012.

  1. Comte Arcane

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  3. Gragt Arcane Patron

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    I’m always loath to use superlatives and this is another case where my instinct feel right. NWN (OC) isn’t a good game to be sure, but I wouldn’t qualify it as the worst. I’d make a case for mediocre: it isn’t good, as I’ve written, but it isn’t bad either since nothing in it is blatantly broken or badly designed. NWN’s cardinal sin, though, is that it is dull: most characters are underdeveloped (a shame since some had potential), quests are unimaginative, and the writing pedestrian.

    I’d argue that Oblivion is a far worse game, especially because the level scaling removes pretty much all challenge and makes the game effortless to the point it feels poorly designed, and the writing is insulting. Looks pretty, though. At least NWN has a definite feel of progression and a serviceable story, and some parts are memorable—the forest and lost castle were rather eerie, although the scores of trash encounters did ruin the mood.

    Expansions and (some) unofficial modules redeem it though, as many have already mentioned.

    That said, I’ve promised myself never to play the NWN OC again, so you might be onto something. If I do end up playing it again, I might actually join your side. :D
     
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    Despite its shortcomings, Neverwinter Nights was a valiant attempt at making a workable multiplayer game from the Gold Box engine.

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  5. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Some of the user-made modules are great, yes, I particularly enjoyed A Dance With Rogues and Swordflight. But the game is still terribly designed in its fundamentals and the basic gameplay of it drags down the modules. Some NWN modules would be all-time classics everyone must play if only NWN's engine were better and playing in it were actually fun.

    Sadly, everything in NWN is designed to waste the player's time.

    It's got some of the slowest RTWP combat I've ever experienced. A single "tick" takes extremely long, so you spend a lot of time just sitting and watching as characters stand in front of each other and swing their weapons once every three seconds. Yawn.
    Thief skills are even worse. Rather than unlocking or giving you the message that your attempt failed instantly, you have to wait for a 10 second progress bar to count down before the game tells you whether you succeeded or failed. Dealing with traps and locks is extremey tedious thanks to that. Resting is the same: in every other game, like Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Arcanum, resting either goes by at an instant, or you see the actual time of day advancing. But in NWN, you just watch a progress bar tick down slowly, without actually advancing time of day. It's just slow and wasting your time.

    And then there's the issue of no party control, making most combat focused modules pretty shit. D&D 3E isn't really made for soloing, unless you design the module specifically around one character class. Playing a fighter is just about having a decent build, then watching your dude exchange blows with enemies in excruciatingly slow RTWP combat. The only tactical element there is when to gulp down a potion. It's about as engaging as Diablo's combat in terms of complexity, except it's much worse because of how slow everything is. Playing a wizard makes you so squishy at early levels, you better avoid combat altogether until you're level 3 or so. And henchmen are frustrating as fuck because they're AI controlled and get themselves killed all the time by being retarded.

    The basic systems of NWN are just pure shit. It could be a good game with only a handful of improvements, but the way it is now it's not good at all. And the "Enhanced Edition" has done nothing to fix these issues AFAIK.

    Oblivion with mods is actually more fun than NWN, because mods can fix the level scaling, or cool total conversions like Nehrim. The basic gameplay is more engaging and more suited to single-character play than NWN is, which should have full party controls but doesn't, so it essentially plays like slooooooooow Diablo.

    I've played Russian shovelware RPGs that felt less tedious than NWN. There's no other RPG out there that revels as much in wasting the player's time as NWN does.
     
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  7. Gragt Arcane Patron

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    Well, that escalated quickly.

    That’s the thing: if we go with mods then things aren’t equal anymore. Both games have serious flaws and both have been improved by their respective communities—even though they are both fundamentally flawed. I was evaluating both games on their own merits (the few there were, anyway).

    You do make many good points, but I still wouldn’t call it the worst RPG ever. It is flawed but being based on D&D 3rd Edition eventually yielded some good things, and the tools seemed to have helped with that. After all, wouldn’t you agree that you derived some enjoyment out of it, even if it was from user-created content? I should say that “worst ever” would preclude that.
     
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  10. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Well, if we count mods and the good user-made content, it actually contributes to NWN's badness: the way its implementation of mechanics makes everything slow, tedious and boring detracts from the goodness of the user modules. I like A Dance With Rogues so much because it focuses a lot on non-combat content, as combat in NWN is just shit and there isn't a single mod out there that manages to fix that. It's still extremely slow, you have minimal control over companions and they usually act like retards, and it's essentially Diablo with D&D rules except 10 times slower. There are plugins that speed up resting speed (thank god), but none that speed up the progress bar when unlocking doors or disarming traps, so thief activities are still tedious (because apparently this is hardcoded). You are pretty much forced to use Cheat Engine's speedhack to make the game waste less of your time with idiotic design decisions.

    NWN mods are good despite the game they run on, not because of it. Apart from ADWR, I also enjoyed Swordflight, but had many situations where I almost ragequit during the more difficult dungeon crawl sections. Playing a fighter-rogue I'm pretty good at most things, including combat, but in some places encounters are quite tough and you get a crossbow-wielding thief girl as a companion, and a spellcaster. The thief girl would always stay within enemy threat ranges and fire her crossbow, constantly provoking AoOs and killing herself in the process. The caster would always blow his best spells out against mobs that I could've dealt with on my own, so he ends up not having enough left for the tough boss encounter. It's frustrating and the exact opposite of fun. And it could be extremely fun if only you had direct control of your party members.

    NWN's gameplay is fundamentally flawed and a lot of these flaws are hardcoded so modders haven't been able to fix them. So even the greatest NWN mods are dragged down by how utterly fucking shit the game is. I could've enjoyed my favorite NWN modules even more if only the game's gameplay systems were better. Dragging down top notch user content by having utterly shit systems does qualify it for being one of the worst RPGs ever made, even more so than some Russian shovelware games that are plain bad but never had mods made for them (no good user content for them to drag down).
     
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    Few random shots from Dishonored 2. I love the art style in this game, but the environments are generally kind of drab and that ruins it a little. At least some of the interiors are grand.

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    Thats Zeno Clash, innit?

    Any good? Been planning on giving it a shot one of these days.
     
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    Both games are fantastic. They're worth it for the combat alone, but the scenery is beautiful and the story is weird as fuck.

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    Yup.
    It's a brawler-shooter hybrid and a pretty good one at that. The kicking mechanic is very reminiscent of Dark Messiah but without all the convenient extreme ledges. The real draw of the game is the bizarre story, atmosphere and art design though, and that's top notch. Would be worth playing it just for that alone even if the gameplay was shit, and it isn't. It's a pretty short game though.
     
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    No game is worth it for the pretties alone, but Zeno Clash luckily is a fun little first person action game.
     
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