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Atlus Shin Megami Tensei V is Nintendo Switch Exlusive

DragoFireheart

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They should make a sequel to Strange Journey and turn that into the Wizardy hell some of you want.

I'm very much enjoying SMT5 so far. Can't believe I slept on this series. I get the criticism about the lack of danger though: on screen enemies trivializes the concept of resource management when set in a open sandbox setting.

Eterian Odysessy got it right.
 

Tigranes

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Finally did Shiva. Hard, lv95, MC 110str/110lck. Almost no grinding or superfine fusing until a bit of gospels at the end primarily so Ailat doesnt die in 1 hit.

MC Murakamo and Revival Chant as backup
Ailat for debilitate and luster
Then rotation of second Nuwa, dark Abdiel, Yoshitsune, and so on for taking out demons.

Relied on divine swap Shield of God to ride the Magatsuhis/Impales when something went wrong, and otherwise could manage - burned some chakra pots and a couple somas on mostly Ailat. Murakamo and occasional Magatsuhi freikugel did most of damage.

Hugely crippled by a lack of high level Idun or Tao, and I hear Cleo DLC would be even better. Seems like a dedicated unique buffbot is indispensable for the megabosses.

I'm mostly pleased that it is possible to do Hard Shiva without hours of exhaustive preplanned grind and fuse... but looking at Demifiend and not sure its possible for him.
 

Carpincho Pampeano

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I sometimes don't know if is satire or not, map markers fried the brain of the average person, he never wondered what the pillar of fire was or didn't feel the curiosity to explore.
 

dacencora

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Yeah, yeah call me a filthy casual but holy shit DemiFiend and Shiva are hard. People say that they’re almost the same difficulty but no, DemiFiend is significantly harder. I almost beat Shiva on my 3rd attempt, I haven’t even come close with DemiFiend after like 10 attempts, and yes, all on normal.

The DemiFiend fight kind of confuses me because it shows that Atlus is still capable of making intelligent boss fights, yet almost none of the boss fights in V use the “Almighty if being reflected” tactic. Shiva using pierce abilities is nice too, but the other fights were mostly non-memorable IMO. Granted I have not done the final fights or anything yet, I was at 99 in Taito so I decided to try fighting DF and Shiva but have been unsuccessful lol.

EDIT: I liked all the Fiend fights and Khonsu-Ra, those were very memorable
 

Tigranes

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So Demifiend. I did it on Casual as a test of the overall strategy and it worked well; I suspect I can also do it on Normal, but Hard would take a lot longer.

The issue is that the Demifiend is built to ensure no defensive strategy is foolproof: you can never stop their many Dekundas and Debilitates, they do seem to occasionally Freikugel you even if nobody has Null/Repel Phys, and you can't stop all the ailments or Chaotic Will even with Abyssal Masks for everyone. So on Hard you're always playing with, say, a 10% chance of a trainwreck every turn, and there's no way to kill him under, say, 20 turns (unless you do the Adversity trick). So that's what makes the fight interesting, of course, but I'm not sure I want to slog out the many reloads of a 30+min battle. Maybe in the future.

I definitely think they missed a huge trick on, well, none of the enemies having ANY AI except for Demifiend and a couple of other occasions. It's really weird that enemy boss Magatsuhi ends up becoming a free gift for the player because you can guarantee what they'll do on 90% of bosses and dampen it. Just changing that around - where all bosses "learn" a player's null/repels after one bounce, or even use Spyglasses on you - would completely change things.

Has anyone ever found all the Miman without walkthroughs? My best is 152 without looking anything up online.
 

Hobo Elf

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Has anyone ever found all the Miman without walkthroughs? My best is 152 without looking anything up online.
Each area has a Chironnupu who will sell you the locations of all uncollected mimans for your map.
 

Carpincho Pampeano

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Has anyone ever found all the Miman without walkthroughs? My best is 152 without looking anything up online.
Each area has a Chironnupu who will sell you the locations of all uncollected mimans for your map.

Wait, all of them? What the fuck? I thought it was just ONE miman so I never paid up.

God damn pay for quest compass
Save, pay the fox, take a screenshot of the map with the mimans and reload the save.
 

dacencora

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So Demifiend. I did it on Casual as a test of the overall strategy and it worked well; I suspect I can also do it on Normal, but Hard would take a lot longer.

The issue is that the Demifiend is built to ensure no defensive strategy is foolproof: you can never stop their many Dekundas and Debilitates, they do seem to occasionally Freikugel you even if nobody has Null/Repel Phys, and you can't stop all the ailments or Chaotic Will even with Abyssal Masks for everyone. So on Hard you're always playing with, say, a 10% chance of a trainwreck every turn, and there's no way to kill him under, say, 20 turns (unless you do the Adversity trick). So that's what makes the fight interesting, of course, but I'm not sure I want to slog out the many reloads of a 30+min battle. Maybe in the future.

I definitely think they missed a huge trick on, well, none of the enemies having ANY AI except for Demifiend and a couple of other occasions. It's really weird that enemy boss Magatsuhi ends up becoming a free gift for the player because you can guarantee what they'll do on 90% of bosses and dampen it. Just changing that around - where all bosses "learn" a player's null/repels after one bounce, or even use Spyglasses on you - would completely change things.

Has anyone ever found all the Miman without walkthroughs? My best is 152 without looking anything up online.
There are other strategies for the Demifiend, but yeah doing it fair would take quite a few tries, I think.

I beat Shiva on Normal, and it actually wasn't too bad. Good fight, good amount of challenge even at 99. True Neutral is a pretty sweet ending.
 

Carpincho Pampeano

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The urge to replay it is coming back but i already finished the game in hard and got the true ending, kinda pointless.
 

7h30n

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So what's the final verdict on this game when it comes to gameplay?

I've never played a SMT game before, and I'm thinking of picking up either SMT3 or SMT5 (or stick with proper dungeon crawling and pick up Stranger of Sword City). I'm only interested in the gameplay aspect. Good story is just a bonus for me.
 

Thac0

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So what's the final verdict on this game when it comes to gameplay?

I've never played a SMT game before, and I'm thinking of picking up either SMT3 or SMT5 (or stick with proper dungeon crawling and pick up Stranger of Sword City). I'm only interested in the gameplay aspect. Good story is just a bonus for me.

It really comes down to the fact if you prefer classical dungeons or collect a thon esque semi open world hub sequences between your bossfights. Both are really good, SMT V sports some improvements to the combat formula, but also gives the player too much information during combat through the use of spying lenses (you get their full stat block including moveset and resistances) which takes some of the threat and surprise away from bossfights.
 

dacencora

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I really enjoyed the gameplay, personally. Exploring the world and doing sidequests is much more fun than SMT IV, but not quite as fun as Nocturne. Boss fights are not as much fun as IV or Nocturne, but it’s still a great deal of fun, in my opinion.
 

Tigranes

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I began with Nocturne and it hooked me on 6 months of playing almost every good Megaten, you just have to be in the mood for a game where both the atmosphere and the gameplay is a little bit hostile at the start. If you're in the mood to dip in lightly with a more modern sensibility I think there's nothing wrong with starting with SMT5, it's a good game.
 

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