deuxhero
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Gamefaqs doesn't have avatars...
Kz3r0 said:Good post, but:
*DERP*
Reject_666_6 said:Ok, you faggots, hear me out.
The Codex and TCancer are part of the same forum, which is why they allow not only RPG avatars, but also from different strategy and tactical games. Sengoku Rance is a game that is arguably a hybrid of all three mentioned above.
-You develop your characters, take part in (linear) dungeon crawls and death is permanent when a character dies. This is for the the mondblutian gang, but the LARPers have it even better: there is a shitload of C&C in this game, and not the fake kind either, and the replay value is very large because of this.
-Tactically, the game uses a stack-based version of the Disciples series combat. I won't go further on this one because it's known that the Disciples system is polarising, but in itself allows for many tactical variations depending on army composition and size.
-The final tenet here is the strategic aspect. You have to juggle diplomacy, economy, exploration, your armies and generals, dungeon-crawling, building relations with other characters, infrastructure and above all, which battles you fight and where. And all this under a measly number of actions per turn - this is no LOL I CAN DOES EVERYTHING Oblivion clone, you really have to plan your actions carefully and have contingencies.
Now even ignoring that the whole is more than the sum of its parts, if you take each of these elements individually, they're at the very least competently done, and in some ways they have surpassed what you'd expect from a standard dungeon crawler, storyfag RPG or TBS.
Why exactly are jRPGs so despised on the Codex? Because they suck as a whole, not just by virtue of being Japanese, but because quality-wise it can be pretty much proven that the vast majority of these games are horrible to mediocre, or at the very least deeply flawed by conventions adopted simply because the genre itself expects this of them. Time and time again the Japanese have been found wanting, and the few exceptions there are (like Chrono Trigger or the Shin Megami Tensei series) aren't enough to redeem them in our eyes. Yet the approach the Codex has evolved over time is to instinctively equate Japanese with bad, and to dismiss great games such as Sengoku Rance just by virtue of being Japanese, instead of dismissing them because it could be a bad game, which is where this whole distinction originated from.
Is there really a danger of this being a slippery slope? Of it possibly leading to adding random FFXIII avatars? Take another look at the Japanese gaming market and then back to this thread - Japanese games still suck badly and these really worthwhile games are getting more sparse. There is no logic in thinking that "We will now add bad Japanese games because we reluctantly added a great one." The anime art-style is a strawman. Many people would find the System Shock, Geneforge or Wasteland avatars ugly compared to the pristine Age of Decadence, Dawn of War or Arcanum avatars, but this misses the point entirely. We have these games on our avatar list not because we like the avatars themselves, but because they represent something that the genre should aspire to..
Lord Rocket said:REMOVE ALL AVATARS
Lord Rocket said:REMOVE ALL AVATARS FROM GAMES MADE AFTER 2000
Darth Roxor said:Lord Rocket said:REMOVE ALL AVATARS
Sorry, but that has not been reason for the Codex liking of Rance game, eg because it's a good game. It's all about hentai/rape theme that the game offers, it was the main reason why in the first place someone posted about it, after "uprising" of Hentai game LP/topics. I can bet for a fiver that if the game didn't have this no one would feel attracted about it, expect maybe for calling it "lol weaboo faggot shit" like it happens to many more Japanese games, which could be good as Rance or even better.POOPOO MCBUMFACE said:But if the game's good enough
Tails said:Sorry, but that has not been reason for the Codex liking of Rance game, eg because it's a good game. It's all about hentai/rape theme that the game offers, it was the main reason why in the first place someone posted about it, after "uprising" of Hentai game LP/topics. I can bet for a fiver that if the game didn't have this no one would feel attracted about it, expect maybe for calling it "lol weaboo faggot shit" like it happens to many more Japanese games, which could be good as Rance or even better.POOPOO MCBUMFACE said:But if the game's good enough
Tails said:Sorry, but that has not been reason for the Codex liking of Rance game, eg because it's a good game. It's all about hentai/rape theme that the game offers, it was the main reason why in the first place someone posted about it, after "uprising" of Hentai game LP/topics. I can bet for a fiver that if the game didn't have this no one would feel attracted about it, expect maybe for calling it "lol weaboo faggot shit" like it happens to many more Japanese games, which could be good as Rance or even better.POOPOO MCBUMFACE said:But if the game's good enough
Come for the x, stay for the y. The initial buzz certainly cropped up because of the bizarre hentai fad we had going on, but it wouldn't have sustained itself this long - and gotten so many people actually playing it and praising it - if the appeal lay solely in the hentai bits. Hell, if that was all people wanted, nobody would be bothering to play it for themselves.
GarfunkeL said:Not to mention that in the end of the day, the porn in Rance is pretty bad. Quite soon I started to fast-click my way through the porn scenes.
POOPOO MCBUMFACE said:If it had no hentai or anime style in general, and was moreover made by and about white people, half the detractors here would be all over it.
Alexandros said:POOPOO MCBUMFACE said:If it had no hentai or anime style in general, and was moreover made by and about white people, half the detractors here would be all over it.
That is a pretty big "if" though.
Jaesun said:It really doesn't bother me now, now that I can block all these shit avatars with Adblock Plus. <3
Though I am sad I donated 50$, and all I got was nothing.
Riiight... whatever, I'm no going go further in any discussion after reading this, sums up 2010 Codex pretty well.Reject_666_6 said:The people who donated for these avatars have done more for the community by donating than the people who bitch and whine about decline. Though Jaesun gets an honourable mention for being a high-roller.
Not only that, but the actual people who voted for the avatars are some of the most literate on the entire site and have produced their fair share of content.