Fallout So, Fallout 1....I'm raging so hard now.

[Awor Szurkrarz]

A user customizable UI would be the best bet. And, how fortuitous, Wasteland 2 is doing just that.

Too bad that Wasteland 2 interface will fail to provide the primary function of a GuI that is looking good.

Read my edited post, I clarified my thoughts a bit. I don't have a problem with hotkeys but I would like the mouse use to be a little more streamlined, like with NWN2's right-click menu or ToEE's radial menu.

ToEEs radial menu is pretty non-ergonomical from what I remember.

 

[Infinitron]

Yes, let's compare the UI, usability and technology between a game released in 1997, and one in development in 2012. That's very reasonable.

QfG let you interact with things using a context menu way back in the early 90s. Fallout with Sierra adventure game interface would be fucking awesome.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

QfG let you interact with things using a context menu way back in the early 90s. Fallout with Sierra adventure game interface would be fucking awesome.

It would look much worse, though, just to please one Infinitron who can't use keyboard shortcuts like every computer-literate person does.

 

[Multidirectional]

Yes, let's compare the UI, usability and technology between a game released in 1997, and one in development in 2012. That's very reasonable.

Or we could compare UI of Skyrim and Fallout.

 

[Blaine]

Fallout: Infinitron Edition

 

[Infinitron]

 

[dunno lah]

Fallout: Infinitron Edition

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More like Fallout: PopamoleDumbfuck Edition
Maybe this game would've sold a few million copies like FO3 did..
Wow...the vats in the backgrnd look mighty pretty. Almost IE-like...

 

[Grunker]

Fallout: Infinitron Edition

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And you guys claim we're TEH TROLLS

Your inability to grasp Infinitron's points result in you making a jab at something unrelated to what he was saying

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

I can't believe I had to waste so many hours on this thread.

 

[Multidirectional]

I can't believe I had to waste so many hours on this thread.

But did you really HAVE to?

 

[Blaine]

Your inability to grasp Infinitron's points result in you making a jab at something unrelated to what he was saying

Calm down buddy, I get what he's saying. I just seize on any opportunity to create an exaggerated joke image.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

But did you really HAVE to?

Well, it was my duty to defend the Truth.

 

[Grunker]

Your inability to grasp Infinitron's points result in you making a jab at something unrelated to what he was saying

Calm down buddy, I get what he's saying. I just seize on any opportunity to create an exaggerated joke image.

OK, OK

But did you really HAVE to?

Well, it was my duty to defend the Truth.

The truth that Fallout has the best combat of any RPG save JA2. Oh man.

 

[MasPingon]

This tread is like an invasion of a body snatchers. To this day I was unaware that Codex Staff Members have been compromised. Once again decline and shit taste jeopardize the balance

 

[Grunker]

"Decline" is fast becoming a stamp you put on someone that disagrees with you, no matter what other old classics they like and regard as they should. Next someone is going to say that game classic connousiers like Sceptic or Crooked Bee are decliners because they dislike ToEE or some bullshit.

OR PERHAPS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT, DUN DUN DUN

 

[tuluse]

Fallout: New Vegas

Age of Decadence

Yeah, we only had to wait 13 years, and until Thursday, for games to finally build on what Fallout did.

 

[Darth Roxor]

"Decline" is fast becoming a stamp you put on someone that disagrees with you

Uh-huh

 

[goo golem]

The decline of decline.

 

[Blaine]

"Decline" is fast becoming a stamp you put on someone that disagrees with you, no matter what other old classics they like and regard as they should. Next someone is going to say that game classic connousiers like Sceptic or Crooked Bee are decliners because they dislike ToEE or some bullshit.

OR PERHAPS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT, DUN DUN DUN

I'll never label someone an agent of the decline for disliking a game, no matter how classic, regardless of whether or not I agree with their opinion. It's only when they begin endorsing decline-related feature sets or games that are objectively infested with the decline that my finger begins to hover over the "SUMMON THE THOUGHT POLICE" button.

About half of my ignored-by list is populated by people who got super-mad that I ridiculed their totally-not-decline-no-sir popamole shooter or pay-to-win online game.

 

[Brother None]

This thread is making me reconsider my assumption that the Codex is Wasteland 2's target audience. Perhaps it's not.

"Decline" is fast becoming a stamp you put on someone that disagrees with you, no matter what other old classics they like and regard as they should. Next someone is going to say that game classic connousiers like Sceptic or Crooked Bee are decliners because they dislike ToEE or some bullshit.

This is a half-assed and lazy deflection. You can like any game you want. I'm sure Todd Howard loves many classic RPGs from when he was younger. Decline isn't about whether you've played or like classics, it's about fundamental beliefs in the direction and future of game design, beliefs such as "combat should be faster!" or "if I can't figure out this UI it must suck, let's give it bigger buttons and context-sensitivity!".

Ugh. This thread. I'm just going to assume you guys are being hipsters and trying too hard, "too cool to like Fallout", forgive you, and move on. It's fairly typical that the loudest voices of the decline here are Codex staff, though. I am honestly kind of disappointed. Not surprised, which in itself is sad, but disappointed.

PS: Fallout's UI isn't very good though. But if you think the solution is "streamline it!", then you're probably on the wrong part of the internet. It's problem is not about intuitiveness anyway.

 

[Blaine]

Brother None confirmed for No Mutants Allowed-tier agent of the incline.

 

[Infinitron]

PS: Fallout's UI isn't very good though. But if you think the solution is "streamline it!", then you're probably on the wrong part of the internet.

I think you're unfairly attaching a pejorative definition to the word "streamline" in this context.

But okay, if you admit the UI isn't very good, then what is your solution?

 

[undecaf]

The decline of decline.

What could be the philosopher's stone that would do that...

 

[tuluse]

On the left, you can select one of two weapons. Baldur's Gate is a much more combat-focused game than Fallout, yet the weapon selection UI is much smaller.

Fallout doesn't have weapon slots, it has item slots. You can put any item in those slots and use it. This is because Fallout is great.

 

[MetalCraze]

This thread is making me reconsider my assumption that the Codex is Wasteland 2's target audience. Perhaps it's not.

Why? WL2's target audience is all hipsters so I think Codex fits into that category well