Starfield - "space epic" from Bethesda Game Studios

[__scribbles__]

I´m sure you are right, bethesda is not original with their main quests plots.

Bethesda should just drop their main stories entirely and put you in the world without any main narrative. Non-scripted stories in their newer games are more interesting anyways.

 

[Utgard-Loki]

Let's rehabilitate Todd.

Honestly his game design philosphy is pretty solid :

• Great games are played not made - "You can have the biggest design document ever made, and you will change 90% of it once you play the game. You have to be ready to throw out your ideas that you think are the greatest."
• Keep it simple - "Doing something really well takes time, more time than you think. Simple systems acting together create complexity players can appreciate."
• Define the experience - "Don't define your game by a list of bullet points... define it by the experience you want people to have."

Four levels of player experience:

1. Learn. The first thing a player is doing is learning the game.
2. Play. They just want to have fun.
3. Challenge. People want to win, so a game should have challenge but always give the player a way out.
4. Surprise. Show players something new. And then repeat this four-point cycle.

He said developers should ignore demographics and installed base, and follow their passions, saying that "if install base really mattered, we'd all make board games, because there are a lot of tables".

Todd Howard has better taste in RPGs than the large majority of Codexers.

it's really too bad he never actually combines the games he really likes to play with games he actually develops. i mean, beyond the "riding around on horseback killing things" part.

 

[Zombra]

I´m sure you are right, bethesda is not original with their main quests plots.

Bethesda should just drop their main stories entirely and put you in the world without any main narrative. Non-scripted stories in their newer games are more interesting anyways.

I'd prefer if they focused on making MQs that aren't childish and embarrassing. FIND YOUR MOMMY really, really isn't great; but I do appreciate games that have a central motivation underlying everything, to give your character any reason to get out of bed. At a glance, "There are a bunch of mysterious alien artifacts out there we'd like to understand some day" isn't bad at all; it's substantial enough to drive me if I have no other agenda, but nebulous enough that I can pursue side content (or make up my own motivators) instead if I don't feel inspired to stay on track.

 

[racofer]

 

[__scribbles__]

I'd prefer if they focused on making MQs that aren't childish and embarrassing. FIND YOUR MOMMY really, really isn't great; but I do appreciate games that have a central motivation underlying everything, to give your character any reason to get out of bed. At a glance, "There are a bunch of mysterious alien artifacts out there we'd like to understand some day" isn't bad at all; it's substantial enough to drive me if I have no other agenda, but nebulous enough that I can pursue side content (or make up my own motivators) instead if I don't feel inspired to stay on track.

If we're going to keep MQs then that's absolutely the best option.
But for me, Bethesda games' biggest strengths are their worlds(shocker, I know). Removing the main questline would not only improve the role-playing aspect of their games as you can make your character's motivation more "your own", but also remove one of the biggest issues with their recent titles: the disconnect between the urgent storyline and explore-at-your-own-pace gameplay.
Removing the MQ from Fallout 4 and Skyrim would make the character lose the motivation that already exists, but it would also incentivize the player to make their own backstory and motivations and thus the player feels closer to their character. It would also remove that "Wait, I've just been picking flowers and making potions for the past few weeks, aren't I supposed to save the world from destruction or something?" moment I often personally have while playing Bethesda games.

IMO, Bethesda's games are a perfect fit for the do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want kind of style seen in, for example, Kenshi and DayZ. Those types of games thrive on the type of player-driven storytelling that's already strong in Bethesda games.

 

[Meme Knight]

The main quest will focus on the search for progenitors, an ancient alien civilization that created life on Earth. So you'll be searching for mankind's dad.

I´m sure you are right, bethesda is not original with their main quests plots.

yes they are not orgyinal. its not like its part of decades long planned programming by deep state to prepare controlled alien disclousure to the cattle, i mean general human population, and present hostile ets as angel like saviours of humanity.

oh wait it actually is.


btw most if not all residents of swastika shaped nazi base on dark side of moon were recently liquified by aliens after they done enough repair to pre adamite tech there. nazi scum so weak and gullible.

I read your post 5 times in a row, and I still don't know what you're saying.

 

[KateMicucci]

it's really too bad he never actually combines the games he really likes to play with games he actually develops. i mean, beyond the "riding around on horseback killing things" part.

It would be great if TES VI has mounted combat. Including mounted enemies.

 

[__scribbles__]

lol wtf u talking about.

swastika shaped nazi base on dark side of moon were recently liquified by aliens after they done enough repair to pre adamite tech there.

Dude.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

yes they are not orgyinal. its not like its part of decades long planned programming by deep state to prepare controlled alien disclousure to the cattle, i mean general human population, and present hostile ets as angel like saviours of humanity.

oh wait it actually is.


btw most if not all residents of swastika shaped nazi base on dark side of moon were recently liquified by aliens after they done enough repair to pre adamite tech there. nazi scum so weak and gullible.

This poster is going places...

 

[kain30]

maybe he was high on drugs by the time he wrote that.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

then judging by his post history, he seems to be high all the time he comes here...

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I hope the main character is a blank slate. Also fuck Todd for being juvenile and personally responsible for blocking tiddies in BS games.

 

[Cyberarmy]

I hope the main character is a blank slate.

He'll be a Dragonborn clone who have been kept in a cryostatis chamber for 25.000 years.(ancient dwarven tech, they are actual aliens, just like dragons!)

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

yes they are not orgyinal. its not like its part of decades long planned programming by deep state to prepare controlled alien disclousure to the cattle, i mean general human population, and present hostile ets as angel like saviours of humanity.

oh wait it actually is.


btw most if not all residents of swastika shaped nazi base on dark side of moon were recently liquified by aliens after they done enough repair to pre adamite tech there. nazi scum so weak and gullible.

I read your post 5 times in a row, and I still don't know what you're saying.

i thought i was as blunt and direct as a brick to the head, but let me know what part is unclear.

That part where there are nazis on the dark side of the moon is unclear. How can you claim this when the moon is a hologram?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

yes they are not orgyinal. its not like its part of decades long planned programming by deep state to prepare controlled alien disclousure to the cattle, i mean general human population, and present hostile ets as angel like saviours of humanity.

oh wait it actually is.


btw most if not all residents of swastika shaped nazi base on dark side of moon were recently liquified by aliens after they done enough repair to pre adamite tech there. nazi scum so weak and gullible.

I read your post 5 times in a row, and I still don't know what you're saying.

i thought i was as blunt and direct as a brick to the head, but let me know what part is unclear.

That part where there are nazis on the dark side of the moon is unclear. How can you claim this when the moon is a hologram?

Holonazis

 

[rusty_shackleford]

i love 2022posters, idk why people keep complaining about them

 

[Red7]

I hope the main character is a blank slate. Also fuck Todd for being juvenile and personally responsible for blocking tiddies in BS games.

u dont want todds made titties anyway. leave that to jap modders.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

i love 2022posters, idk why people keep complaining about them

Because they generally aren't this... colorful
They're just mostly stupid and annoying

 

[ferratilis]

The best thing about this game will be Crowbcat's compilation of bugs/Todd's lies.

 

[Ryzer]

The best thing about this game will be Crowbcat's compilation of bugs/Todd's lies.

They always say this but in the end, you are going to play Todd's game and enjoy it secretly.

 

[ropetight]

Todd just said that the chess-club-membery StrangerThingy geeky persona, that he likes to wear in public like Buffalo Bill wears women skin jackets, really liked two games - Sundog: Frozen Legacy from Apple II and Traveller tabletop.

This name-dropping should ensure that his primary milkcows, GenX-ers, get all misty in the eyes and preorder his new game that will be just the same in the spirit of those legendary games that formed them into SF exploration game lovers.

You have to admire his effort: he will not name-drop Elite or something else too well known or mundane.



Really, I will not hold it against Todd if he produces another bland, unfinished open-world mirage hyped to the sky.
That is who he and Bethesda are - sellers of bland, unfinished open-world mirages.

But to think that it will work again after all the bullshit they pulled with F4 and F76 is somewhat insulting and disheartening.
Anyways...

 

[racofer]

But to think that it will work again after all the bullshit they pulled with F4 and F76 is somewhat insulting and disheartening.

It's actually a pretty accurate estimation. Bugthesdards will consume every last drop of Todd's diarrhea as if it were ambrosia. Then, proceed to apply chocolate sprinkles (aka mods) into it for the next decade, drink a few gallons of copium, and in the spirit of their God the Todd, attempt to sell their abomination as the best thing ever at every opportunity. It's a vicious cycle that's been perpetrated for over 20 years now, and judging by the already hopeful comments not only here but in other places that usually bash anything from bugthesda, it will continue for at least another decade.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Todd just said that the chess-club-membery StrangerThingy geeky persona, that he likes to wear in public like Buffalo Bill wears women skin jackets, really liked two games - Sundog: Frozen Legacy from Apple II and Traveller tabletop.

The protagonist of Sundog: Frozen Legacy by FTL was their inspiration for the character Zed Duke of Banville in FTL's next game, Dungeon Master:

 

[Bliblablubb]

The main quest will focus on the search for progenitors, an ancient alien civilization that created life on Earth. So you'll be searching for mankind's dad.

I can already see Bethesda's trademark writing skills at work:
"Have you seen our progenitors? Average height, average looks. They haven't been seen for millions of years."

Then the NPC will mark it on your map.

Later: "Another progenitor needs your help!"

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

MQ should be:
Your young child was kidnapped by an unknown psycho, who is surely planning to do terrible, terrible things to him. Time is absolutely of the essense!

Now fuck off and do side quests for 40 hours.