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Stellaris - Paradox new sci-fi grand strategy game

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by Perkel, Aug 6, 2015.

  1. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    In fairness, that's pretty much what you should do with any game these days...
     
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  2. GarfunkeL Racism Expert

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    I see that you've learned your debating style at the school of VD. :D

    I was going on based on what was said in this thread and the Pdox forum posts that were quoted/linked to, also in this thread.

    I'm not taking sides here, which you seem unable to grasp, neither am I attacking you personally, which you seem to think I am doing. I tried to point out how a passive-aggressive description like yours will get people angry. You claimed that you don't want to walk on eggshells - that's fine but there is a line between that and wilfully acting like an asshole. You could have written:

    This mod adds a new empire "human3" with a male default leader and uses only European names and white portraits.

    See how easy it is? No need to blow your trumpet regarding your obsession of SJWs attacking your hobby or whatever other fantasy you've bought in.

    But whatever, I give up - I thought you might have been just misunderstanding the issue and/or too young to realize how people (including any poor bastard that Pdox tasked with checking Workshop complaints) would react but it seems that no, you understand fully, you just want to be a dick about it. Or you have assburgers. In either case, it's futile to try to explain to you further. It's a shame to see a modder quit because of such petty thing, because Stellaris definitely could use more mods.
     
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  3. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    So now you consider this a debate again. Oh, dear. :lol:
    Not checking the facts yourself and repeating what you hear in the media with the rest of the mob. Nice. I've posted the real facts in this thread several times, including comments by the other author. Next time, before you accuse someone, listen to what they have to say.
    Ok, so saying that I support racism, sexism and homophobia, while regurgitating Paradox talking points is totally not taking sides. Yeah, you're clearly Switzerland here - completely uninvolved.

    Seriously? You type that and expect me to come back with, "Golly gee, GarfunkeL, I had no idea that I was being racist, sexist and homophobic. I really was asking for a ban. Thanks for telling me."? If anyone has assburgers here, it isn't me.
    Gosh, had no idea it would do that.
    Better yet, just include no description at all. Or just make no mod at all. "Just stay in line and keep your whore mouth shut, white boy."
    Yep. Real easy to censor myself.

    But screw that.

    Look, even if I did everything you suggested, I would still be risking a ban. The other guy did everything you suggest - except for mentioning that there was no multiculturalism in his mod - and was still banned, according to Paradox, because of the comments other people made on his mod. Self-censorship isn't enough. He also had to censor other people. Only nowhere - in either Steams rules or the forum rules Paradox tried to link to as a justification - does it say to do that.
    I knew how everyone could react to it. How many times do I have to say that before it sinks in?

    I knew some people would be mad. I knew there was a chance I would be banned, but I also knew there was a chance that if I didn't cross the line into actual racism, sexism etc, (which I didn't) they would leave the mod up. I wasn't "asking for a ban", I was risking it - as I would have been regardless of what I wrote in the description. A mod with only white Europeans? You don't see how some SJW might want desperately to ban it no matter what the description says?

    My thinking was that if they really hated it enough, they would remove it and expose themselves as pro-censorship and pro-political correctness at the cost of free speech, but if I censor myself out of fear, then they get off scot-free. I would still be censored, fewer people would download the mod because of the bland description, and Pardox would still ban it anyway using the comments or something as an excuse.

    I chose to take the risk because I really had nothing to lose. I made the mod for myself anyway. I only shared it because I thought other people might want it. And they did.

    It's not like the people who throw rocks at the police because, in that case, the laws are clearly defined and you are breaking them. There are no laws here. Only a bunch of people afraid to speak their minds because no one knows where the limits are or what they are.

    It's more like the kid who points out that the emperor has no clothes while everyone else holds their tongue in silence. Maybe he will be arrested, or maybe everyone will burst out laughing at the fool emperor who would clothe himself in political correctness. Only one way to find out.
    Who said I gave up because of this? Just bored with the game now. Make your own mods. It's easy.
     
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  4. Beastro Arcane

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    Interest in game tapers off, thread turns towards infighting.

    So predicable.
     
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  5. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Eh, it's only been for the last page or so, and then only because the guy was spouting bullshit about the other mod creator and I.

    Still, I have lost interest in the game. It's pretty basic. One or two playthroughs and you feel as if you're done with it.

    Very moddable, but most modders are still doing simple things like adding more colors or flags. There are a few mods that do cool things like adding bigger and better classes of ships though.

    Like the man said, wait for DLC - and the more complex mods that will probably come in time.
     
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    I'm lately playing it on Tiny maps. This way I can officially win the game before I get too bored with it.
     
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  7. baturinsky Arcane

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    Also, about Paradox and nazi mods. I don't know what else they expect from their fans. Seeing how all kind of supremacists and assholes on this forum flock to Paradox game topics.
     
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  8. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Again, it wasn't a nazi mod. You could use it to play a space nazi if you were some kind of raycist tho. :M


    Anyway, in a vain effort to get the thread back to the game itself, here is the mod I talked about earlier that lets you build larger classes of capital ships:
    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=683230077
    The lack of new ships is one of the reasons the mid to late game is so boring. Most experienced players have all the ship types researched within the first 100 years. Frankly, even these additions aren't enough, but they do help.
     
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  9. baturinsky Arcane

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    I don't see a need for new ships. I don't even use destroyers, and only build Battleships for AOE bonuses.
     
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  10. Prime Junta Self-Ejected Patron Vatnik

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    That just means that they need to :balance: it better. If only corvettes and battleships are useful, then that's a problem and needs to change.

    (That's the least of the game's problems with wars ATM though)
     
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  11. Eirikur Arcane Patron

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    Definitely not just you. These fucking birds are so smug and mouthy.

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    Amir al-Mu'minin!

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    This game is like Warlords 2 in space with 3GB of GRAFIKZ, 23 years too late, and has much much worse combat, AI and mechanics than some 1985 games that fit into 42KB.
     
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    At this point in time Gaben is as worse as Notch. What he did to the PC gaming industry with uncontrolled/ auto greenlight might be the final nail in the coffin for non triple A games, if it continues like this. So fuck Gaben and his lazy ass and those fucking shity Mobas.
     
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  16. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    What has Notch done that is even close to as bad as Steam?
     
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    Minecraft is not a horrible game, children are horrible people.
     
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    I wanted to ask for a quick synopsis of the nerd war extending in this thread: Is this game shit or not? Give reasons why.
     
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  21. Turrul Savant

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    It's the epitome of "meh".
     
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  22. Multiple Sarcasm Arcane

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    Only thing that separates it from most alpha version games is stability. Wait until final release.

    Look at the amount of mods in the workshop fixing even the most simple and obvious things. Then multiply that by kindergarten-level diplomacy, gameplay variety approaching zero, all races being completely symmetrical and AI that's a funny misnomer.
     
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  23. wjw Augur

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    The game feels pretty empty. My main complaint is that I always forget the name of my neighbouring empires. And I never really care about what they do. (apart from small stuff, like accidentally spreading influence over a strategic resource that I wanted and ofcourse they neglect to mine it afterwards)
     
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    It's apparent that they were banking on their modding community to step in. They never stopped to consider that they would want to.
     
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  25. Prime Junta Self-Ejected Patron Vatnik

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    ATM... yeah kinda. Most of the "whys" are pretty easy to address though and I'm fairly certain they will be addressed:

    * Combat is shit, and it gets worse as the game progresses. This is mostly due to the boneheaded UI, which makes it incredibly tedious to win battles tactically, so by the midgame you just build Stalin-style doomstacks and steamroll (or lose). F.ex. you can't bail out ships in a fleet one by one as they're getting beat up, which means that if you want to avoid attrition you have to treat ships individually, which means an unholy amount of micro.
    * Nothing much happens in the midgame. It's just tedious and repetitive mechanical clicking on things to optimise production.
    * Technology and ship types are seriously out of balance. ATM the best strategy is to build a big-ass battleship to soak damage and do point defence, and then clouds and clouds of disposable corvettes to do the actual fighting. The intermediate ship types are kind of useless.
    * Way too few ship types. It doesn't take long to get to battleships, and then it's just upgrading each slot from level I to II to III to IV to V.

    The game has a lot of interesting systems underneath to play with, but it will take a fair few iterations to get the game rich and balanced enough for them to come into their own. There are lots of fun early-game event series, the exploration is pretty cool, and the endgame crises are fairly neat. Give it a year or two and it'll be a fine game. But right now... eh, not really.
     
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