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KickStarter Stoneshard - open world roguelike RPG - now available on Early Access

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Wayfinder, Jun 18, 2017.

  1. 0sacred Educated

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    if you start making a habit out of calling them out that just makes you look retarded, fyi
     
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  2. Harthwain Magister

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    Deadlines already have consequences - the hype dries up and the costs gets exacerbated by having to finance the studio for longer period of time than it was originally intended.

    Complaining about deadlines is why "It is done when it is done™" became a thing: can't complain about not meeting a release date when there is none. It is worse when deadlines are set due to publishers' or some other interest group (shareholders), because then you are more likely to end up with a rushed game being pushed out of the door and a steaming pile of shit is not really a more favourable outcome...
     
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  3. Tygrende Savant

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    Yeah, it sure is retarded to call out dishonesty whenever it happens.

    And it should be a thing. You seem to misunderstand my point. I don't care how long the development takes and fully agree with Miyamoto. I care about making false, meaningless deadlines. Wayfinder might as well start writing "It is done when it is done™" because whatever dates they give out are not true anyways. It would be genuinely preferable to false deadlines they don't care about. Just drop the pretense at this point. Is it really this hard to be honest?
     
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  4. Salvo Savant

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    Yeah City of Gold update was planned for August and now it's releasing (if it isnt delayed again) in October
    Kinda pissed

    Meanwhile Vagrus devs are putting out update after update
     
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  5. Tygrende Savant

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    It was originally planned for Q2 of 2021, which is June at the latest. Then delayed to "Late Summer", which is September at the latest if we go with astronomical. Then to October.
     
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    The only thing they have to to do is to add save on exit feature they promised.
     
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  7. Darth Canoli Arcane

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    So what? It's a game in Early Access, what did you expect?
    If you don't like it, just play released games and wait at least one year to get a half-fixed playable version...
     
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  8. Murk Arcane

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    This game's great; can't wait for more content though :happytrollboy:
     
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  9. Tygrende Savant

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    I have expected the "City of Gold" update to be released in Q2 of 2021, then in "Late Summer" of 2021. Crazy, right?
     
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  10. Salvo Savant

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    This whole argument is about devs using EA to not respect deadlines, FUCKING READ
     
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  11. holla_cabezas_de_mierda Arcane

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    This is why I never play early access (although I did play the little demo like 1 or 2 years ago?). Anyway reading all the updates, and the world map, and the plans they have for the full game this actually looks like its going to be pretty damn good when it finally releases, and I do think it will eventually release so I am not worried it won't, but yeah these EA games stay in EA for fucking ever it seems...there is this submarine game Uboot or something I have had on wishlist for like 5 years it feels like, constantly in EA...most games on my wishlist seem like they are in this state, just in constant state of EA. I feel like maybe they don't even plan to come out of EA sometimes, that constant EA is a permanent business decision for some of these games (like Caves of Qud, how long has it been in EA? is it ever really coming out of EA?)....but I do think this game plans to come out of EA, even if it takes a bit longer than expected.

    I think people might be happier if they just never played EA games. Does not mean not to buy them (because I will buy to support sometimes), but playing them seems to just ruin the experience later IMO and make you more frustrated during the entire waiting time...
     
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  12. 0sacred Educated

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    fool me once, shame on you

    disgruntled fags can leave a bad review or point out broken promises in their review, but it's hilarious when they have their buttons pushed repeatedly by devs who have made it clear that deadlines are more of an estimate than anything. It's like you're all new to Early Access or something :lol:

    This game could be dead in the water like many other Early Access titles, think about that.
     
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  13. Tygrende Savant

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    Me and many other people have learned that Wayfinder is not to be trusted and do not care about their own deadlines, you got that right. Many people have also decided to share this fact and warn other people in the form of negative reviews. I see nothing wrong here. They more than earned those reviews.

    Going from June to October in 3 delays total is not an "estimate", it's simply unprofessional. Answer me this - if you're not going to give a single fuck about the deadlines, why even come up with them anyways? To piss people off?

    Would you use the same argument for an AAA game being a buggy mess on release? I don't care how many devs are also doing it, wrong things don't become right the more people do them. Breaking promises is wrong and should be complained about whenever it happens. Just don't come up with deadlines if you can't meet them, it's that simple.
     
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  14. 0sacred Educated

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    I personally care more about the game experience itself than its development history. You are the kind of people who would have denied that Grimwah would ever see the light of day (though Cleve being Cleve, his detractors only were additional motivation to him. I hope these devs feel the same)

    An excellent question (if asked once). I take it they didn't answer it. But doesn't it seem pointless to you if things dissolve into a game of you complaining and them finding excuses. Not that I mind you wasting your own time, but it IS retarded.

    in fact I would. Patience, just as in other cases, is key again.
     
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  15. jackofshadows Magister

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    Key to what, exactly? Why you see release as a given? You're talking about "waste of time" regarding complains on a random forum while if this game will never see the release day the real fucking waste of time would be shill's passages like yours or basically any real talk about game's muh potential, pros and so on which lead to actual playing this unfinished mess.
     
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  16. Tygrende Savant

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    Not really, me and anyone who paid for the game are within their rights to complain about the creator breaking their own word. Silence is too often confused with approval. The devs should be constantly reminded that they're being unprofessional.

    Is you complaining about me complaining also retarded, or do you have a double standard ready?
     
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  17. Saark Arcane Patron

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    It's not like you're running a subscription and have to keep giving them money. You've been supporting a game that, at its current state, delivered most if not all of what was originally promised in the kickstarter. That's what you paid for. As for the devs, having a rough estimate and deadline that you set yourself creates pressure, which is oftentimes needed when you can easily fall into the trap of overdeveloping certain features instead of shipping them when theyre "good enough". Yet the devs decided that strictly adhering to deadlines would compromise the quality of the product, and thus delay them multiple times. Not great, no, but if its a common occurrence you learn to simply not trust those dates anymore. The updates they do release are good, so why bicker about it?

    That aside, giving negative reviews because "the dev didnt keep their promise" is fucking ridiculous. The game is good, albeit needs lots of content still, and any one who supports the game at this point should have no expectation of when a certain part of the game will get released. That is what EA is all about. Early access to a game that is not yet finished (and might never be). Just because they say they will have an update ready by month X of year Y, doesn't entitle you to whine about it when it doesn't happen. As an EA supporter you're a part of the development process, not a customer consuming a finished product (which is where your analogy to real world business falls flat, by the way). It's like having a QA tester complain that the feature they were supposed to test on wednesday isn't ready yet, and they have to wait another week for it to be coded before they can test it.
     
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  18. Tygrende Savant

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    Apparently not. You know what actually creates pressure? Negative reviews.
    If we are not to trust those dates, why even come up with those dates to begin with? To piss people off? It's working.
    I am not discussing the quality of content.
    I wasn't aware not keeping promises was a positive thing.
    Again, if I should have no expectations, why does the developer bothers with making deadlines to begin with?
    For the 3rd time, if not meeting deadlines doesn't entitle the customer to complaining and they are essentialy meaningless, why do they even exist?
    Wrong. I bought an unfinished product at a lower price with a promise of more content. Which, so far, has been a lie.
    No, it's not like that, at all. QA testers are performing a service for the developer. One they are or at least should be compensated for in one way or another. I did closed alpha testing myself, I got compensated for it. I don't remember Wayfinder paying me. In fact, I remember the opposite.
     
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    So you touched the hot plate for the fifth time, got your hand burned the fifth time, and when it happens the sixth time it'll still be the plates fault. Gotcha.
     
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  20. Tygrende Savant

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    Yes, except the hot plate was sold as cold and promised to be cold after each time I got burned. I have since stopped expecting it to be cold, which does not mean the seller isn't a dick.
     
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  21. Saark Arcane Patron

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    The fact you keep complaining about it means you are in fact retarded though. Or maybe its literally the first Early Access you've ever been a part of, i dont know. This is what you get for paying for a work in progress that has no requirements or oversight. Been like this for years. Either deal with it, or stop paying for EA titles.
     
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  22. Tygrende Savant

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    I have already adressed that. I am well within my right to complain about it. I was lied to, which is universally considered to be a bad thing, which is worthy of critique. Not once, twice or whatever arbitrary number you chose. As much as I feel like.

    I feel like I should ask again, does you complaining about me complaining means you are in fact retarded too?
     
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  23. 0sacred Educated

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    and why do you think the game won't release going by deadlines that weren't met but achieved later? So far nothing I've seen indicates that the game won't release in a finishable state (although the scope may not meet the hype)

    well played, except I'm not complaining, I'm calling you a whiny fag.
     
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    giga cringe
     
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  25. jackofshadows Magister

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    And why do you think the game will actually release? Yes, we're all know cases of games which were released despite severe deadline violations (say, Hero-U) but we're also know cases of games stuck in EA forever (Zomboid) or outright abandoned (GRAV/LifeZ). Not to mention Star Citizen of course. Repeated deadline break is a red flag to me. Like I said, we'll see in october but I'll be more suprized if the game will actually get that "biggest update yet" rather than it will postponed again or if the update will contain much less content that it was expected.

    I get that buying a game in EA comes with a risk, Steam even explicitly saying that but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't point out dubious projects, for fuck'severyone's sake. And defending a lying dev just because one likes the concept of his game is a cuck behaviour of a high order.
     
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