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System Shock System Shock 2: 25th Anniversary Remaster by Nightdive Studios

Jadeite

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My hats off to what these guys are doing to preserve the past. I will be buying this on launch without question. The original SS2 is just plain outdated by this point, and hopefully with this remake we can finally send it off to sea. A good game in its time, but that time was 26 years ago. Good riddance.
 

Jadeite

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The visual changes are very underwhelming, at least in the trailer they make the game look like something from 2003 instead of 1999. Buttons and other user interfaces look a lot better but everything else doesn't seem to gain much. I don't yet see a reason why we should spend money on this, given that System Shock 2 is still perfectly playable and texture mods can achieve similar results.
We shouldn't. That's the point. I speak out against Nightdive whenever I can. They pretend to be all about "oh, we love old games, and we're here for you," but in reality, there's hardly such sentiment at play if they allow themselves to be part of such inclement profiteering. Zero respect for charging 40 bucks for slapping some textures on an old game, and patching a few bugs or UI shortcomings. I mean, I don't care about the money per se, I have a reasonable income, hh, but the practice itself—so sedge.

I wouldn't have said anything—heck, I'd even praise their passion—if they'd priced their modding appropriately. Why, some people mod for free, and some are "smarter" and ask for a few bucks for their work. I'm cool with that. Moreover, paid "better mods" could attract a new audience, add credibility to IP revivals, and, last but not least, offer a refreshing new take on old games.

That being said, Nightdive did at least one thing really well—the SS remake. Very thoughtful approach. But that's a whole new level of development. I've replayed the original SS several times since it came out, and I'm usually a sucker for "old before modern" and even I liked it.

I'll agree about the SS remake. That game was a dinosaur. But this drivel about their charging too much is *inexcusable* I guess you think people just assemble large companies to remaster ancient outdates pieces of shit like SS2 so you can pay them jack shit for it? NO, quality remastering costs money, and Nightdive has never showed themselves to be anything but quality remasters. They're going the extra mile to preserve the past and all you have to show to them is ingratitude. If you don't like it, *don't buy it*. More for me.
 

Nifft Batuff

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My hats off to what these guys are doing to preserve the past. I will be buying this on launch without question. The original SS2 is just plain outdated by this point, and hopefully with this remake we can finally send it off to sea. A good game in its time, but that time was 26 years ago. Good riddance.
The remaster is the same old outdated dinosaur. Do you think some hi-res texture can magically make it modern an not outdated?
 

Jvegi

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My hats off to what these guys are doing to preserve the past. I will be buying this on launch without question. The original SS2 is just plain outdated by this point, and hopefully with this remake we can finally send it off to sea. A good game in its time, but that time was 26 years ago. Good riddance.
The remaster is the same old outdated dinosaur. Do you think some hi-res texture can magically make it modern an not outdated?
He was joking. I think. You, on the other hand, are a joke.

Outdated... Your mum is outdated.
 

Nifft Batuff

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My hats off to what these guys are doing to preserve the past. I will be buying this on launch without question. The original SS2 is just plain outdated by this point, and hopefully with this remake we can finally send it off to sea. A good game in its time, but that time was 26 years ago. Good riddance.
The remaster is the same old outdated dinosaur. Do you think some hi-res texture can magically make it modern an not outdated?
He was joking. I think. You, on the other hand, are a joke.

Outdated... Your mum is outdated.
Do you think I wan't sarcastic?
 

Jvegi

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Do you think I wasn't?

Wait. Was I?

I challenge anyone to point one single outdated thing about ss2. Even graphics still look great with appropriate mods. Better than most stylysh indies, that's for sure.
 
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I challenge anyone to point one single outdated thing about ss2. Even graphics still look great with appropriate mods. Better than most stylysh indies, that's for sure.
Sure, here you go
ss_f847c5cb2c19e785d147fc2fcfde8c1de1993d7f.1920x1080.jpg

ss-f847c5cb2c19e785d147fc2fcfde8c1de1993d7f-1920x1080.jpg

Lights remain chonky, even 26 years later :smug:
 
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My hats off to what these guys are doing to preserve the past.
How is this considered "preservation"? What are they "preserving" here exactly, the ability to whore out old games? Do you understand that when Nightdive eventually bites the dust, we're back to where we started? Game preservation is uploading a game's source, either by de-compilation or some other means, and they've only done that with a few titles. I think they stated in the past that they were planning to release the source for this game (or at least what they've reverse-engineered), but I'm doubtful seeing how they haven't mentioned it.
 

Junmarko

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All remakes/remasters are a case of soul vs. soulless, the more changes, the more soulless.
This is the perfect example of how it SHOULD be done - nigh on perfect remaster.

Unfortunately no one ever seems to put in this much effort:

 

Talby

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All remakes/remasters are a case of soul vs. soulless, the more changes, the more soulless.
This is the perfect example of how it SHOULD be done - nigh on perfect remaster.

Unfortunately no one ever seems to put in this much effort:


Fuck off Randy, the Homeworld remaster was trash. The ballistics based system in HW1 was replaced with the RNG system from HW2 which ruined the whole game.
 

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is. Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
My hats off to what these guys are doing to preserve the past. I will be buying this on launch without question. The original SS2 is just plain outdated by this point, and hopefully with this remake we can finally send it off to sea. A good game in its time, but that time was 26 years ago. Good riddance.

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Gargaune

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How is this considered "preservation"? What are they "preserving" here exactly, the ability to whore out old games?
Eh... With a little poetic license, you could make an argument that remasters "preserve" public interest in old titles by exposing new generations to them. Modding can spruce things up, but it doesn't have the same marketing potential an official "ooh, legendary old game, now REMASTERERERD" on a major storefront can have for your average teenager. And showing gen Z that there's more to gaming than Fortnite and The Outer Worlds is certainly a noble endeavour.
 
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Eh... With a little poetic license, you could make an argument that remasters "preserve" public interest in old titles by exposing new generations to them. Modding can spruce things up, but it doesn't have the same marketing potential an official "ooh, legendary old game, now REMASTERERERD" on a major storefront can have for your average teenager. And showing gen Z that there's more to gaming than Fortnite and The Outer Worlds is certainly a noble endeavour.
lol yeah because there's nothing like playing PO'ed, The Thing, I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, Star Wars Dark Forces, etc. to get zoomers to go crazy for old games. This is a vanity project for stephen cuck and his geriatric side kick larry, plain and simple. This is the same guy who has recently gone on record to state how he gets excited when studios shut down so that ND is provided the chance to remaster the titles left behind, like fucking industry-vultures. They aren't preserving jack shit.
 

Morgoth

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My hats off to what these guys are doing to preserve the past. I will be buying this on launch without question. The original SS2 is just plain outdated by this point, and hopefully with this remake we can finally send it off to sea. A good game in its time, but that time was 26 years ago. Good riddance.

It's the same game, mate.
 

Nikanuur

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The visual changes are very underwhelming, at least in the trailer they make the game look like something from 2003 instead of 1999. Buttons and other user interfaces look a lot better but everything else doesn't seem to gain much. I don't yet see a reason why we should spend money on this, given that System Shock 2 is still perfectly playable and texture mods can achieve similar results.
We shouldn't. That's the point. I speak out against Nightdive whenever I can. They pretend to be all about "oh, we love old games, and we're here for you," but in reality, there's hardly such sentiment at play if they allow themselves to be part of such inclement profiteering. Zero respect for charging 40 bucks for slapping some textures on an old game, and patching a few bugs or UI shortcomings. I mean, I don't care about the money per se, I have a reasonable income, hh, but the practice itself—so sedge.

I wouldn't have said anything—heck, I'd even praise their passion—if they'd priced their modding appropriately. Why, some people mod for free, and some are "smarter" and ask for a few bucks for their work. I'm cool with that. Moreover, paid "better mods" could attract a new audience, add credibility to IP revivals, and, last but not least, offer a refreshing new take on old games.

That being said, Nightdive did at least one thing really well—the SS remake. Very thoughtful approach. But that's a whole new level of development. I've replayed the original SS several times since it came out, and I'm usually a sucker for "old before modern" and even I liked it.

I'll agree about the SS remake. That game was a dinosaur. But this drivel about their charging too much is *inexcusable* I guess you think people just assemble large companies to remaster ancient outdates pieces of shit like SS2 so you can pay them jack shit for it? NO, quality remastering costs money, and Nightdive has never showed themselves to be anything but quality remasters. They're going the extra mile to preserve the past and all you have to show to them is ingratitude. If you don't like it, *don't buy it*. More for me.
I would've agreed with you, except that my whole point is that Nightdive don't do quality remastering. Actually, wait a minute, what I meant was: there's no quality remastering possible for such games. Only remakes that try to stick to the OG's atmosphere, and spirit, and all could count in that regard. Enter: SS remake. That was spot-on.

So, again, I wouldn't have said anything if... I mean, an effort is always commendable, even though the result sometimes looks slightly worse than the OG. What is not commendable at all, though, is to present an effort comparable to an amount of work a high-school student could knock out in three afternoons as something "öööööh, löök höw we did söööööh well," and then charge an indecent sum for it. So, there's no ingratitude. They just do the opposite of respectable approach on several levels.
 
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  • I just don't feel it for this one.
  • Slight texturemodding just isn't worth 30 bucks.
  • Stephen Kick is a moron and I don't feel like giving him any money rn.
 

Jadeite

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Actually I don't like the System Shock series at all lol. I hate the digitized photos in the first with a passion, and won't abide the voice acting in the second. I do like Battle Frenzy, Blake Gold, Witchaven, Hybrid, Unreal and a few others in the 1993-1994 range that I'm forgetting too. So :desu:
 

Harthwain

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The remaster isn't bad visually (aside from being too clean), but the old game still looks pretty well, especially considering its age. Well enough that the visual changes don't feel like enough to justify more than double the cost of the classic version. In short: not enough bang for the buck. But maybe I am wrong and the market will decide otherwise...

Honestly, I think focusing mostly on quality of life improvements (adding the mouselook support and the ability to change keybindings for System Shock 1 is a good example) and bugfixes would be the better approach here.
 

NecroLord

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How is this considered "preservation"? What are they "preserving" here exactly, the ability to whore out old games?
You are right bang on the money there.
This is why I cannot truly respect studios who do remasters.
Nothing which cannot be already done through the use of mods.
 

UndeadHalfOrc

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but it doesn't have the same marketing potential an official "ooh, legendary old game, now REMASTERERERD" on a major storefront can have for your average teenager. And showing gen Z that there's more to gaming than Fortnite and The Outer Worlds is certainly a noble endeavour.

I couldn't care less about what your average teenager wants in a game. I care about what I want, period, and any game dev who wants to pander to a specific demographic can fuck right off.
 

asper

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If you're interested in playing the original System Shock, I recommend Shockolate. It does lack some of the niceties of SS:EE (like the higher resolution UI), but it does have mouselook, and it makes up for it's shortcomings by not being a broken unplayable mess.
Just posting here to thank you for the recommendation of Shockolate (and linking the newer build)

It is 2025 and I am playing System Shock 1 for the first time.

Can recommend for all new players: get the original (classic) version (not enhanced) from GoG, and install the above patch/mod.

2025-04-12-22-59-45-SS1.png
 

Ol' Willy

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In 99.9% of cases, "remaster" means pleasing graphicfaggots who can't play the original because the graphics are "dated" (anyone who uses this word deserves sledgehammer to the face)

Thus, this shit is redundant and often harmful
 

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