KickStarter Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon - first-person open world RPG adaptation of Kickstarted board game

[Volourn]

Another shitty 1st person game ruining what could be an interesting premise. NEXT

 

[Konjad]

Another shitty 1st person game ruining what could be an interesting premise. NEXT

Ok, who took volo's account?

 

[Inec0rn]

Well sorta, it's a Beth/Avowed clone with better art and zero sandbox / mod support. Given sales makes you wonder if the average Beth fan cares at all about the underlying game or just want a garry's mod fuckabout fantasy sandbox, i strongly suspect its the latter and this game won't take off but time will tell.

 

[Nikanuur]

Thanks for posting in that Steam thread, guys.

 

[Mauman]

Well sorta, it's a Beth/Avowed clone with better art and zero sandbox / mod support. Given sales makes you wonder if the average Beth fan cares at all about the underlying game or just want a garry's mod fuckabout fantasy sandbox, i strongly suspect its the latter and this game won't take off but time will tell.

Supposedly, mod tools are on the way.

 

[Bloodeyes]

I'm enjoying this game a lot. I'm kind of surprised.

The tutorial left me really cold. I didn't like Camelot being spelled with a K, I thought King Arthur looked stupid and I wasn't sure I wanted a grimdark take on the legends of King Arthur and the knights of the Round Table. These are stories I read as a small child and really loved. It kind of seems like sacrilege.

The tutorial dungeon was way too long, and I laughed out loud at the ooga booga chanting musical number Was that supposed to be funny? It didn't seem so.

I'm so, so glad I stuck with the game. I'm in act two and I'm having a great time hacking through the game with my one-handed build. A few complaints here and there, but I can't think of an RPG I've liked that wasn't deeply flawed in some way. This one's flaws mostly seem pretty trivial so far. My biggest issue has been frequent crashes. My second biggest issue is that dumb foredweller ghost in act 2 that spawns by you every night. I fixed that one by swapping to story mode and hacking at him for a few minutes. Other issues are too minor to complain about really. Great game so far!

 

[Nikanuur]

Guys, what’s going on? I just met a lonely NPC on a stranded island. He’s talking kind of slightly delirious, says I can come keep him company whenever I like—and his name is Hob.

 

[Bloodeyes]

I'm level 37 and almost every feat I have taken either directly or indirectly contributes to my melee damage output. The couple that don't were prerequisite perks for ones that up melee damage output. There are still quite a few more to take before I can start working on perks that improve my survivability.

I have:
- Flat damage increases from strength trees (obvious)
- First blood from stamina tree
- Most of the crit tree
- Inner strength from the armour tree
- The whole status tree (I'm using an innate poison sword with a poison gem and a burn gem in it, so multi-status procs give a nice damage boost)

Still need:
- The multihit perks from 1h tree (damage, crits and stamina refill to proc first blood more)
- Powerful blows from 1h tree and executioner from general strength tree
- Carnage from the health tree
- Unstoppable rage from the health tree
- Furious assault from health
- The whole attack speed tree (except maybe tools of trade)
- Deep wounds from the crit tree
- The best offense from the armour tree

Why are there so many melee damage perks lol? I'm getting the feeling I will have beaten the game before I have taken them all. I could have even more damage output if I used a shield and took counterweight, but I've got a buff spell in my offhand that I spam.

I'm a glass cannon. Optimal? I don't know. Viable? Certainly, and it's a very fun build. I'm playing on veteran diff and while some things can one-shot me I don't die much because I've got a spell that negates 100% of damage for one hit and I spam it. If that fails my King Arthur power procs on death and works like tears of denial.

 

[Konjad]

So far I think it will be a tough choice for goty between this game, kangdom come and clair obscure.

 

[cvv]

So far I think it will be a tough choice for goty between this game, kangdom come and clair obscure.

At the TGA it'll be between Death Stranding 2, E33 and Silksong.

My guess is DS2 is gonna take the cake coz Keighley and most journos would suck Kojima's dick dry if they could.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

So far I think it will be a tough choice for goty between this game, kangdom come and clair obscure.

If not for Cyber Knights this would have gotten my vote in the Codex polls.

 

[d1r]

Is there any post game, or some new game+ changes?

 

[whocares]

So far I think it will be a tough choice for goty between this game, kangdom come and clair obscure.

At the TGA it'll be between Death Stranding 2, E33 and Silksong.

My guess is DS2 is gonna take the cake coz Keighley and most journos would suck Kojima's dick dry if they could.

Nah. Based on all the normie discussions online, Expedition is clearly this year's Bear's Game 3. It's criminal that "Final Fantasy but French" is even in the conversation, but I've no doubt all the awards will go to it.

In a just world, KCD2 wins this year and TG gets some "Indie Newcomer of the Year" award. But ours is not a just world.

 

[Tyranicon]

Captain Obvious post, but:

TGA is garbage, it's all just shilling and boot licking, nobody seriously cares about it as anything real, just like the BAFTAs or basically every single media award show in 2025.

 

[Bloodeyes]

I'm quite conflicted.

Spoiler

I've been given a quest to infect two NPCs with the plague. I've looked up the outcome and it unlocks a new skill tree with a new, damage increasing status effect. It also gives a perk that stops you taking more than 25% damage in a single hit. That's so OP I wouldn't be able to resist taking it, but I feel like something like that could ruin the game for me.

I've really been enjoying the high risk combat, and stopping me taking giga damage from tough enemies would remove the only challenge this game has left, as well as removing any need for me to use my damage negation buff spell. With my damage output I could safely spam in the face of any enemy with that perk. I wouldn't need to upgrade my armour, I wouldn't need to invest in any other health or defence related perks. That's all I would need. Too OP. Boring.

I really, really detest having to use self-imposed restrictions to keep a game challenging (apart from not level grinding or using exploits). I don't want to completely break the game this early. I'm only about half way through act 2. My damage output does already kind of break it but my vulnerability stops me from falling asleep.

It's also a horrible roleplaying decision. To become a plaguebearer of the Red Death after spending my whole playthrough helping everyone. I really, really should not do this. It's probably going to kill my enjoyment of the game... but there's another whole damage increasing skill tree...

 

[whocares]

I'm quite conflicted.

Spoiler

I've been given a quest to infect two NPCs with the plague. I've looked up the outcome and it unlocks a new skill tree with a new, damage increasing status effect. It also gives a perk that stops you taking more than 25% damage in a single hit. That's so OP I wouldn't be able to resist taking it, but I feel like something like that could ruin the game for me.

I've really been enjoying the high risk combat, and stopping me taking giga damage from tough enemies would remove the only challenge this game has left, as well as removing any need for me to use my damage negation buff spell. With my damage output I could safely spam in the face of any enemy with that perk. I wouldn't need to upgrade my armour, I wouldn't need to invest in any other health or defence related perks. That's all I would need. Too OP. Boring.

I really, really detest having to use self-imposed restrictions to keep a game challenging (apart from not level grinding or using exploits). I don't want to completely break the game this early. I'm only about half way through act 2. My damage output does already kind of break it but my vulnerability stops me from falling asleep.

It's also a horrible roleplaying decision. To become a plaguebearer of the Red Death after spending my whole playthrough helping everyone. I really, really should not do this. It's probably going to kill my enjoyment of the game... but there's another whole damage increasing skill tree...

To avoid spoiling things much, whatever your stance on the plague, you should do the quest anyway because LORE. Then you can just not pick the damage reduction perks. But as someone who beat the game with a one-handed build, it's nowhere near as OP as it seems. At the start of the game, most strong enemies oneshot me and I had enough stamina to dodge and then do an attack or two, by the end of it I could attack non-stop, got health back whenever something hit me Bloodboring style, and few enemies even damaged me for more than 10% of my health (this is on hardest difficulty), making that damage threshold a waste. So if anything, that perk is a mid-game crutch that only really helped me beat the chapter 2 foredweller Dahaka.

 

[Paul_cz]

So far I think it will be a tough choice for goty between this game, kangdom come and clair obscure.

"kangdom come"

mother fucker

But yes Exp33 is apparently second coming of Christ. Never mind the fact that aside from fairly interesting story/decent characters and high quality audiovisuals, it is just linear corridor devoid of any gameplay aside from QTE combat. I still liked it enough to finish it, but it is nowhere near my GOTY list.

I want to play Tainted Grail, but waiting for its dev to be finished.

 

[cvv]

Nah. Based on all the normie discussions online, Expedition is clearly this year's Bear's Game 3.

But yes Exp33 is apparently second coming of Christ.

It is SO FAR.

Don't forget, DS2 only launches tomorrow. Plus the fanboyism around Kojima exceeds even the fanboyism around JRPGs. Even tho it's not as bad as the Cult of Nintendo, that one is the worst.

My bet is most of the E33 fever will have subsided when November rolls around. Most of the TGA GOTY convo will be about DS2, Silksong or whatever mainline hit Nintendo pushes out for Switch 2.

 

[Nikanuur]

I’m not sorry I bought the game right after release. Not one bit.
That said, the almost complete lack of things like illusionary walls, hidden switches, puzzles that open new paths, and so on—it’s pretty weird, and honestly, a bit sad.
Fortunately, the game makes up for it a bit with real exploration. Like finding a chest at the top of an inconspicuous or tricky climb, or stumbling across fallen heroes with magical gear, long dead and hidden away in easy-to-miss crevices, dungeon tunnels hidden from plain sight containing optional/good loot, etc.

 

[cvv]

That said, the almost complete lack of things like illusionary walls, hidden switches, puzzles that open new paths, and so on—it’s pretty weird, and honestly, a bit sad.

I remember a few illusionary walls in one of the dungeons, it surprised me be because it was the first and last time I saw them. But they were p. obvious too.

In general dungeons aren't the strongest suit of this game. In fact great dungeons seems to be only limited to indies nowadays, we're certainly not in 1990s Kansas anymore.

 

[Nikanuur]

After the today's patch (btw I can't find info about it on Steam at all), the UI containers in the inventory and menus still look like a placeholder, pre-alpha thing. However, one thing has changed.
This finally looks as if from a grimdark fantasy, indeed.
Step by step, I suppose, hh...

 

[whocares]

Don't forget, DS2 only launches tomorrow. Plus the fanboyism around Kojima exceeds even the fanboyism around JRPGs. Even tho it's not as bad as the Cult of Nintendo, that one is the worst.

My bet is most of the E33 fever will have subsided when November rolls around. Most of the TGA GOTY convo will be about DS2, Silksong or whatever mainline hit Nintendo pushes out for Switch 2.

I think Dorito Pope wants to be seen as legit more than he wants a pat on the back from his personal hero Kojimba, so he won't hand over the GOTY to DS2. As for Silksong, I expect it to be a flash in the pan. Because at the end of the day it's a metroidvania platformer. That genre can't physically go past "well this was cool," but the hype surrounding it gave it a legendary status years before release. No way it doesn't fall short of that hype.

remember a few illusionary walls in one of the dungeons, it surprised me be because it was the first and last time I saw them.

I want to say I've seen them in two different dungeons, but the rest of the point stands. If anything, seeing those few instances made the lack of that stuff in the rest of the game that more disappointing because the tech was clearly there.

That said, I did find the late Act 2 dungeons (corrupted temple and mushroom kingdom) to be very good. If only the rest of them could be like that.

 

[Paul_cz]

My bet is most of the E33 fever will have subsided when November rolls around. Most of the TGA GOTY convo will be about DS2,

Nah, E33 is this year's BG3. It is what it is.
KCD2 might at least get some RPG awards.

 

[Readher]

I think Dorito Pope wants to be seen as legit more than he wants a pat on the back from his personal hero Kojimba, so he won't hand over the GOTY to DS2.

I wouldn't be so sure.

 

[cvv]

I think Dorito Pope wants to be seen as legit more than he wants a pat on the back from his personal hero Kojimba, so he won't hand over the GOTY to DS2. As for Silksong, I expect it to be a flash in the pan. Because at the end of the day it's a metroidvania platformer. That genre can't physically go past "well this was cool," but the hype surrounding it gave it a legendary status years before release. No way it doesn't fall short of that hype.

If DS2 sat at 70% Meta or some such you'd be right. But it's 90% rn. If it goes anywhere over 92% it's guaranteed GOTY. The only thing that could prevent it would be a new mainline Zelda or Mario game and neither is happening in 2025.

As for the Silksong, this is not 2017 anymore. When HK came out it wasn't a big deal initially but over the years the IP rose in stature to absurd heights. A bit like Demons' Souls in fact. If the sequel is at least as good as the OG HK it's not gonna be a flash in the pan.