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[Tacgnol]

butthurt script kiddies

jcd has been gone a long time...

He did come back for a bit a couple years ago.

He didn't last very long though as he ended up getting butthurt again soon after.

Edit: last year and I also forgot all about this:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/friendly-advice-upgrade-your-forum-software.138390/

 

[Twiglard]

I think Twiglard deserves some monetary recognition for all his stellar and *completely unpaid* work he's been doing for us. I for one would be happy to send a few bucks to him.

He can always open an OnlyFans account. He wouldn't even have to post a picture of his spread butthole or anything. But, @Twiglard is a self-proclaimed socialist, ergo taking payment or donations for his work is below him.

I did the work because Codex has prestigious opinions on RPGs, real political diversity of opinion, lax moderation and lets me call people niggers on the internet. Changing the arrangement to a paid one (regardless of the amount) would fundamentally alter the relationship between me and the 'dex. Contractor rates are also rather high and the site has to pay the bills.

So donate to the 'dex instead.

vBulletin 2005 would work better than all this bloated new bullshit to this day if someone simply updated its netcode and security backend and left everything else alone, but that doesn't pave the way for optimal extortion of money by keeping people dependent on largely unnecessary updates and superfluous features whilst charging a premium for what should be basic functionality.

With some modern programming practices, a full-featured XF2/VBulletin/phpBB clone with functionality normally found in the addons, would take no more than a few months even when done by a single person. Written in C++20/C++23/Rust for less suck.

 

[Sin2x]

> Rust
> less suck

Cuck.

 

[Twiglard]

> Rust
> less suck

Cuck.

Definitely beats any dynamically typed languages like Perl or Python. Except for Common Lisp of course. F# would be a good choice too. But these languages are more obscure which causes its own share of problems.

 

[Rincewind]

> Rust
> less suck

Cuck.

Definitely beats any dynamically typed languages like Perl or Python. Except for Common Lisp of course. F# would be a good choice too. But these languages are more obscure which causes its own share of problems.

It beats me why anybody uses PHP for *anything* these days (sans legacy software, perhaps). It made some sense in the days when cheap or even free PHP + MySQL hosting was ubiquitous, but today...

(Same thing for that utter piece of shit database, MySQL. I learned and started using Postgres as my first database; imagine the shock when I was confronted with that piece of garbage the first time...)

 

[BruceVC]

I think Twiglard deserves some monetary recognition for all his stellar and *completely unpaid* work he's been doing for us. I for one would be happy to send a few bucks to him.

He can always open an OnlyFans account. He wouldn't even have to post a picture of his spread butthole or anything. But, @Twiglard is a self-proclaimed socialist, ergo taking payment or donations for his work is below him.

I did the work because Codex has prestigious opinions on RPGs, real political diversity of opinion, lax moderation and lets me call people niggers on the internet. Changing the arrangement to a paid one (regardless of the amount) would fundamentally alter the relationship between me and the 'dex. Contractor rates are also rather high and the site has to pay the bills.

So donate to the 'dex instead.

vBulletin 2005 would work better than all this bloated new bullshit to this day if someone simply updated its netcode and security backend and left everything else alone, but that doesn't pave the way for optimal extortion of money by keeping people dependent on largely unnecessary updates and superfluous features whilst charging a premium for what should be basic functionality.

With some modern programming practices, a full-featured XF2/VBulletin/phpBB clone with functionality normally found in the addons, would take no more than a few months even when done by a single person. Written in C++20/C++23/Rust for less suck.

Thanks for all your hard work Twiglard

And also I want to recognize the Codex mods who have been involved in all the testing and effort. These things matter and contribute towards Codex being the great website it is where we can all engage in debates on RPG and other topics in a environment that allows true freedom of speech

 

[Falksi]

You're welcome.

 

[Sin2x]

> Rust
> less suck

Cuck.

Definitely beats any dynamically typed languages like Perl or Python. Except for Common Lisp of course. F# would be a good choice too. But these languages are more obscure which causes its own share of problems.

Low-level languages like C++ and Rust are not suited for web-development unless you are a masochistic autist. Try something like Elixir.

 

[thesheeep]

Written in C++20/C++23/Rust for less suck.

I mean, yes.
But then it would also be practically impossible to find anyone to maintain it. Or make plugins for it.
There's a reason those are the most sought-after skillsets among programmers - super low number of people knowing them (and I'm not even talking about knowing them well).

Also, Rust is a fucking trip. I don't think I've had that much of a headache trying to get into a language since I learned C in the early 2000s...
It's pretty cool once you get it and the multi-threading afforded by its awkwardness is wonderful, but I don't see it as being suitable for web development (at least the frontend part).

You can already get less suck for typical web development via Typescript or some PHP or Python libs (I'd never recommend Python for web dev, but hey, people currently pay me lots of money to do exactly that, so...).

 

[Twiglard]

Also, Rust is a fucking trip. I don't think I've had that much of a headache trying to get into a language since I learned C in the early 2000s...
It's pretty cool once you get it and the multi-threading afforded by its awkwardness is wonderful, but I don't see it as being suitable for web development (at least the frontend part).

How bad is the awkwardness when coming from a functional programming and a C++ metaprogramming background?

sperging

There's a reason those are the most sought-after skillsets among programmers - super low number of people knowing them (and I'm not even talking about knowing them well).

C++ is even worse for networked servers. You can't really guard against certain kinds of buffer overruns:

struct {
    int a;
    int b[3];
} foo = { -1, {} };
extern int get_index();
int main(void) {
    return foo.b[get_index()];
}
// now, elsewhere...
int get_index() { return -1; }

Run it with valgrind/ASLR/-fstack-protector-all and you'll see. LTO will find it but even then only for the simplest of cases. Maybe asan or ubsan will...?

Real-life example: application hangs/freezes due to writing RGB data to a single-channel buffer. But only on multi-monitor setups!

 

[TalesfromtheCrypt]

New forum is looking good, great job!

 

[Blaine]

I wasn't being entirely earnest. I was mostly being an obnoxious asshole, and DU knows that.

Evidence: I'm running fully-updated Xenforo 2.0 myself.

I want updated netcode and security, just without all the bloatware and garbage features, but they won't let me have it. I don't like that.

It's kind of like how we want updated technology and (yes, yes, I know) advanced graphics and animations in games, but with actual good gameplay, challenge, and competent writing, but they won't let us have that, either. And I REALLY don't like that.

You can turn pretty much all the newer XF features off right from the ACP. What's bothering you so much that you can't turn off with a flip of a switch or commenting out a bit of code?

No, I can't, because the users and moderators of my forum want all of the new features.

"So?" you may find yourself wondering. "What do you care what they want?" That's a great question, glad I put it into your mouth. My forum gets at least as much traffic as the Codex, so there's a need for unpaid staff to approve new users, perform janitorial duties, etc. There's a need for users to contribute content.

I myself pretty much do jack shit these days, other than hold the keys and pay the bills. I even have a guy who does the real webmastering.

Therefore, I must allow cancerous features to keep them placated.

 

[Eyestabber]

Just so you know, Raptor King, shortcuts for bold are not working properly. Control B only works for enabling bold, I have to click B to disable it. Underline works fine, tho.

 

[Tacgnol]

Therefore, I must allow cancerous features to keep them placated.

Have you ever considered the Codex approach of sparking constant dramas and playing the userbase off against each other?

 

[Taluntain]

I wasn't being entirely earnest. I was mostly being an obnoxious asshole, and DU knows that.

Evidence: I'm running fully-updated Xenforo 2.0 myself.

I want updated netcode and security, just without all the bloatware and garbage features, but they won't let me have it. I don't like that.

It's kind of like how we want updated technology and (yes, yes, I know) advanced graphics and animations in games, but with actual good gameplay, challenge, and competent writing, but they won't let us have that, either. And I REALLY don't like that.

You can turn pretty much all the newer XF features off right from the ACP. What's bothering you so much that you can't turn off with a flip of a switch or commenting out a bit of code?

No, I can't, because the users and moderators of my forum want all of the new features.

"So?" you may find yourself wondering. "What do you care what they want?" That's a great question, glad I put it into your mouth. My forum gets at least as much traffic as the Codex, so there's a need for unpaid staff to approve new users, perform janitorial duties, etc. There's a need for users to contribute content.

I myself pretty much do jack shit these days, other than hold the keys and pay the bills. I even have a guy who does the real webmastering.

Therefore, I must allow cancerous features to keep them placated.

Oh, so you were just complaining about being old.

 

[luj1]

just fix the fucking rating listing

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

It's not so bad after all the post-launch fixes. Not as classic looking as the pre-update but I appreciate the effort to get it as close as possible.

 

[Kedar]

You seem to be confused, it has been scientifically proven that progress is bad.

 

[GhostCow]

With some modern programming practices, a full-featured XF2/VBulletin/phpBB clone with functionality normally found in the addons, would take no more than a few months even when done by a single person. Written in C++20/C++23/Rust for less suck.

FYI Josh from Kiwi Farms is doing this right now because Xenforo won't do business with him anymore. Might be something to watch. I'm pretty optimistic.

 

[Twiglard]

With some modern programming practices, a full-featured XF2/VBulletin/phpBB clone with functionality normally found in the addons, would take no more than a few months even when done by a single person. Written in C++20/C++23/Rust for less suck.

FYI Josh from Kiwi Farms is doing this right now because Xenforo won't do business with him anymore. Might be something to watch. I'm pretty optimistic.

Holy shit. He's actually doing it. Commits each day, and pretty logical ones at that too.

---

C++ is a neverending horror story, as the following can attest.

PROOFS

(source)

But at least it's not Rust.

 

[Tavar]

With some modern programming practices, a full-featured XF2/VBulletin/phpBB clone with functionality normally found in the addons, would take no more than a few months even when done by a single person. Written in C++20/C++23/Rust for less suck.

FYI Josh from Kiwi Farms is doing this right now because Xenforo won't do business with him anymore. Might be something to watch. I'm pretty optimistic.

And his goals are based as well:

Aspirations​

• Minimal bloat.
• No-JS, Tor compatability.
• Unit tested.
• Event driven WebSocket subscriptions.
• Total replacement for XenForo.

 

[Nano]

You can still see the classic Codex design on the front page

 

[Bastardchops]

Fuck progress.

Line go up.

 

[Cyberarmy]

The "Roll" function at the top-left of the main page isn't working properly (or at least how it used to).

I want my roll privileges back dammit!

 

[Gromlintroid]

Cant really see a lot of difference but if the back end is more up to date, so be it.