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Vapourware That Which Sleeps - Vaporware Strategy RP

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by Kem0sabe, Aug 4, 2014.

  1. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    You sure about that man?
     
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  2. WhiskeyWolf RPG Codex Polish Car Thief Patron

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  3. Malakal Arcane

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    Yea I was interested in Ruinarch but the scale is way off. What kind of ancient evil wants to kill 20 villagers? A goblin sim?

    TWS epic scale works way better for me, plus the vibrant gameplay and great AI really helps. And its still being developed!
     
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  4. Ismaul Thought Criminal #3333 Patron

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    Nice lapsus there.

    Played the Old Ones so much you lost your sanity? Save it before your save man, believe me. Ain't no JSON for your mind.
     
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  5. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    Baby steps, I guess. But the scale should expand after feeding on the village.
     
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  6. Corbin Dallas Multipass Learned

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    It's one thing to tease people for having hope then getting their hopes dashed.

    It's quite another to make fun of people who keep moronically defending the guy who obviously defrauded them by claiming to have a working game that just needed some art. That's just being a decent human being.

    The dude who scammed the people, Kevin if I recall correctly, claimed to have a working, playable game, which he gave detailed descriptions of. He said he needed some money to hire a proper artist for his already existent and working game.

    So people gave him lots of money. Lots and lots. Kevin likes money, so he happily accepted the money and added stretch goals, where he'd add additional features to his pretend game that he claimed already existed.

    Over time, longer and longer pauses happened between each update. Dates were promised and then went by without an update. A "gameplay" video was made, where it was obvious nothing in the game worked. Some shitty asset viewer was released where you could view a couple shitty assets. Kevin claimed he still had his original working version, but you know, he couldn't let anyone see it before it was perfect (This was a lie, obviously).

    Just mentioning the name of this game on normal "polite" forums results in an instant flame war and locked thread. That's the part that's so mystifying to me, the victims of the scam are the loudest defenders of it.
     
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  7. barker_s Cipher Patron

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    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Grab the Codex by the pussy RPG Wokedex
    Believe it or not, but once every few years I give in to nostalgia and re-read this whole thread as well as re-watch the dev log videos. Here, have a little treat I dug out from the distant past of 2015. Gotta love how many interlocking systems and emergent mechanics were already developed back then.

    Show Spoiler

     
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  8. Ismaul Thought Criminal #3333 Patron

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    A real man can separate the artist from his art bro.

    You might have a Multipass, but you still need to open your mind.
     
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  9. Lithium Flower Arcane

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    To drop the RP for a second - looking back on everything has always made me wonder how much of this shit was just the dev straight up fantasizing about made up features and how much of it was actually implemented at some point.

    I would almost be impressed by the idea of a dev so infatuated with his own dream game idea that he is fully capable of publicly serving up his thoughts as tangible, if WIP, reality for months on end. Playing make-belief and imagining your very own "best game ever" is so intuitive and cathartic that I almost empathize with the dev, but given that many people's actual money was at stake, this is still highly irresponsible and scummy behavior.
     
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  10. Corbin Dallas Multipass Learned

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    Can't deny the guy had a good imagination. I certainly couldn't have kept that up.
     
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  11. Ismaul Thought Criminal #3333 Patron

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    When in the embrace of an alluring muse, many things get hard but the hardest is trying not to keep it up.
     
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  12. Aidan Literate

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    sadly it will never come out and is dead and was a scam
     
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  13. Josh Sawyer Was Right Literate

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    I think it's sad to see such a large and organized campaign against this game. Please do not listen to people saying the game doesn't exist. They are just butthurt PC gaming shills that can't get over the fact that the lead dev moved the game primarily to VR.

    I've just had an amazing gaming session with my Oculus Rift and I can only recommend this game. Nothing quite like being able to speak to the dark ones while the Abyss envelops all of your senses. Truly next-gen both in design and in technology.
     
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  14. Ismaul Thought Criminal #3333 Patron

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    People like you are the worst. Trolling with that obvious VR bullshit man. Just stop. You're destroying all the credibility us backers who own the game in its current state have.
     
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  15. almondblight Arcane

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    And the guy wasn't simply fantasizing about features in the game, he was making hundreds of posts with feedback from alpha testers who were giving detailed descriptions of the games they were playing. It's a shame the forums were closed, because they really were a trip. Even better, during this time that he was posting all of the alpha tester feedback, his partner (the two of them did the Kickstarter together) had never received a playable build.

    It was amusing to see the other forum users think this guy was a legit but ultra shy developer, and were trying to find ways to get his partner to coddle him so they could get the awesome alpha.
     
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  16. thesheeep Arcane Patron

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    That's actually something I find fascinating about this game:
    It lets you RP really freely, without it becoming much of a hindrance of playing "most optimally".

    Sure, you're an evil entity, and you can't really be "lawful good", but there's so much space between the vile evil that you can do and some of the more "isn't this actually a good thing?".

    Then again, maybe I'm just a psychopath and don't know good from bad...
     
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  18. Galdred Studio Draconis Patron Developer

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    It is very hard to tell. I think the guy was confident in his abilities to deliver the game he envisioned, and he thought the little shortcuts he took to make the videos would soon be replaced by actual gameplay, but there is no way to tell. But that would be in line with MRY impressions.
     
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  19. MRY Prestigious Gentleman Wormwood Studios Developer

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    Years ago, I assumed that was what Cleve was doing on Grimoire. There was a post he had about testing the game that described various crazy things happening, including an NPC party interfering with his team, and the whole thing sounded so fantastical that I assumed the game was wholly an imaginary/meme thing. But then it turned out to be real, so who knows these days?

    There were two guys I spoke to (Josh and Joe, leaving their last names out). They did come across as somewhat overconfident, but fairly pragmatic. If I recall correctly (and it has been many years), one or both of them had worked extensively in modding Civ or some other game, and they felt that the modding experience would translate well to this project. I hooked them up with an artist from Fallen Gods, and they paid him for his work.

    Looking back at some of our emails, I honestly don't know what to think. Like, I wrote them a short text for introducing a campaign, and they wrote back:
    Was there ever a voice actor?

    Or

    Was this all fake? To what end?

    Or

    (I declined his offer, since Fallen Gods used such a different style/system, so I have no idea whether there was any "code/resources" or "map editor" at all.)

    My best guess is that they simply hit several different walls that commonly afflict game development: simply the fatigue once you're over the dreaming stage, some kind of coding challenges they couldn't fix, and perhaps realizing that the core gameplay loop wasn't that much fun. It is a sufficiently small amount of money that they raised, and I know they spent at least some of it on art (since they paid the FG artist), so it doesn't seem like an outright scam. And they didn't come across as scammers in my interactions with them./
     
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  20. Lithium Flower Arcane

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    Indeed there was. I remember stumbling onto this soundcloud (don't recall if they ever publicized it) when I was stalking the development of this game years back:

    https://soundcloud.com/thatwhichsleeps/narration-sample

    If that sample is your writing, perhaps you'll get a kick out of hearing a gravely-voiced man read it - hopefully he was also fairly compensated because he did a fine job.
     
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  21. MRY Prestigious Gentleman Wormwood Studios Developer

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    That is my writing! Ha! I'm less taken by the VO, perhaps because I think the gravely-voice men from Primordia, Strangeland, and Fallen Gods are better, but this guy does a good job with my fairly goofy text. :)
     
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  23. Aidan Literate

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    Also any of you know alternative games to that which sleeps besides bobbytwohands games and ruinarch
     
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  24. udm Arcane Patron

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    Just occurred to me that this thread is literally an RPG Game :lol:
     
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  25. agris Arcane Patron

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    I don't believe the map editor was fake (see here: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...orware-strategy-rp.93379/page-48#post-4917723) and the failure of TWS likely stems from the more pedestrian root causes that you outline.

    Like so many things in life, it is more fun to imagine the scheming and machinations of veiled actors behind the scenes than to coldly examine the realities of random creation and destruction.
     
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