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Decline The Codex is going down the toilet

Discussion in 'Site Feedback' started by copx., Apr 14, 2013.

  1. evdk comrade troglodyte :M Patron

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  2. Alex Arcane

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    I see this sentiment repeated in a few posts around, and it really puzzles me. I mean, there are plenty of sites around with a lot more moderation and even with more friendly posters than the Codex. If you feel this is the way to go, why not just frequent one of those? The deal with the Codex, at least for me, has always been that people could come here and exchange ideas more or less independently of whatever political or social ideas were going on in the outside world.

    I am sure there were plenty of cases in the old days where someone was banned, or content was just retardoed. But the place back then seemed to give much less of a shit about what people were discussing, and it was never as bad as, say, Something Awful. Back when VD left, I was very much in favor of him staying. As I saw it, the policy changes he wanted to do would try to focus this site on discussing CRPGs, and like many, I had just grown annoyed of GD (which, as I remember, was much worse back then).

    Nowadays, however, I am not sure I would side with him, though I would surely like it if he posted around here more. I think VD is a swell guy, and was a very good mod around here (and continues to be in his site). But I think the GD, not the forum section, but the idea behind it, its spirit, if you will, is important to the Codex. The Codex is a kind of place where people shouldn't be afraid to speak their own minds. Sure, we have a whole lot of juvenile humor, tasteless jokes, stupidity and so on. But if you take this away, you take this away, you also take away the fool out of the Codex. The fool that laughs up at the new releases that are pretty much the same. The fool that keeps trying to discuss about a genre that has been pretty much dead for 10 years. The fool is actually capable of recognizing when something promises to be good and once again, after being strung along God know how many times, actually manages to raise several thousand dollars for a kickstarter.

    As I see it, our biggest problem in need of moderation is that GD has two big camps that, while not at all formed by stupid people, took on the most stupid aspects of politics. "Leftards", "librulz" or whatever you call them on one side and the WCDS, or the nazis, or whatever you call them on the other. Instead of ever arguing, these two groups seem intent on repeating slogans and ideas to each other, never really forming a conversation or even going anywhere. Instead, they look like two picket lines facing off, shouting at each other, waving around banners with slogans and sometimes making smug faces at each other.

    But the big problem is that any kind of action to reduce this behavior is going to change the foolish spirit of the Codex. I think the case posted by the OP is an example of that, where a mod, trying to avoid having the trash from the picket lines hit non related discussion, ends up retardoing what is pretty much part of the Codex etiquette. So basically, we end up with a situation where you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't. I don't really know how to solve this, to be honest. I guess the only way for all this political picketing to die down is if people actually start to listen to each other, so we have actua discourses instead of simple repetition of ideas? Or maybe if we somehow cultivate a culture where people will be polite enough to keep political discussion in its proper place, but aren't paranoid to the point where just a hint of a political idea cause them to lose their cool? Neither are very likely, I think, but I don't see any other way to keep the Codex spirit I've come to love, even if it is far from perfect.

    P.S. Sorry if this is a bit disjointed, but I didn't really know what I was going to write until I wrote it.
     
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  3. Cassidy Arcane

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    Give us your full name, address, phone and social security number first.

    And don't be upset if a pizza delivery suddenly arrives at your door.

    Or if you lose your job.
     
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  4. tiagocc0 Arcane

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    uuuuh, free pizza!
     
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  5. Zetor Arcane

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    So the Codex is 'in decline', because you can't freely verbally abuse people? My heart bleeds for you. Also,
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    GD has always been shit, and the Codex always had shitposters. If you want to talk about decline, ask yourself where all the prolific posters of 2002/2003 have gone, and why.


    This is a place where you are supposed to discuss cRPGs, not be an edgy crpg version of 4chan. Or maybe my standards are set too high, idk.
     
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  6. Brayko Self-Ejected

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    I appreciate what the Codex does in an attempt to burn down "The man" but some of you fuckers take your shit a little too piously, like the above poster. I'm willing to bend to the decline (or "incline") for amusement purposes but saying that PE will suck because J.E. Sawyer said a thing or 2 that didn't sniff as good as your farts is amusing, albeit quickly tedious.
     
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  7. tuluse Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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  8. RRRrrr Arcane

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    I am yet to see a good political discussion on the Codex. I always thought the whole "damn librulz" thing was trolling. Well, there are retards like nomask7 or HHR who really believe in what they are saying, but it is so delusional that it can't be taken seriously. On the other hand, I can't take racists and nazi apologists seriously anywhere, so I might be wrong.

    Nevertheless, GD is too hard to be taken seriously. I don't know why people are acting like there is free thought in it (I mean the thought part, since few people there seem to be actually thinking).

    General Discussion is basically:
    General Discussion-talk about womenz and post stupid links to sensationalist sites.
    Politics, God & The Wealth of Nations- talk about (no one is discussion anything there) about important contemporary events or politics as a whole without saying anything of value.
    Codex Public Library-pretend you have elitist tastes and liking :obviously:films, all if which (by coincidence, of course) you watched and liked when you were 12.
    SCIENCE!!- ask about the newest e-reader! Or applied psychology!



    GD is hardly what makes the Codex good. I liked how critical people were of modern games, unlike the other gaming forums where you get called a retard if you say Mass Effect 2 is clearly not an RPG.
     
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  9. Brotherman Bill Arcane Sad Loser

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    Jesus christ are you a retarded little nigger faggot
     
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  10. Commissar Draco Codexia Comrade Colonel Commissar Patron

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    Insert Title Here Strap Yourselves In Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Divinity: Original Sin 2
    When You will start doing ding dong banu on posters whose worldview you don't like and end or the rhine/retardo threads which hurt your fragile (librul) sensibilities you will end up among sycophants fapping to kickstarters, indie games and Biowgame which is kinda shit but it ''empowers'' Fags and Wymynz. Those who fight monsters and all that... :avatard:

    Codex is thorny rose with roots in feces... try to make it ''accessible'' and tame and it will turn into another RPS/BSN/Watchwitz.
     
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  11. TwinkieGorilla does a good job. Patron

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    Did you just start singing halfway through your post? o_O

    Dear TwinkieGorilla,

    Where have all the prolific posters of 2002/2003 gone and why?
     
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  12. Lockkaliber Magister Patron

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    It's incredibly retarded to believe that the "all goes" mentality of GD has anything to do with why the rest of the Codex may be good. That's just something the people who like the atmosphere of GD (ie the people who feel oppressed in other parts of soceity/the internet because of percieved PC hegemony) repeats to attribute the quality analysis of crpgs on the rest of the Codex with their own shitposting/mental malfunctions.
     
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  13. Zewp Arcane

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    Meanwhile in the future:

    That's just how forums work. People get older, their lives change, their priorities change, they move on. It happens on every single forum out there.
     
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  14. Country_Gravy Arcane Patron

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  15. Monty Arcane

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    There was a similar thread that reemerged a while back and looking at some of the older posts (from 2008) they were mostly complaining about how the Codex had declined.

    I guess the Codex has just kept declining since its peak in 2002. Or Codexians tend to see decline everywhere.
     
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  16. TwinkieGorilla does a good job. Patron

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    Bingo.
     
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  17. Lockkaliber Magister Patron

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    Yup. When I started posting, I mostly posted in GD. After a while I realized that it's a waste of my time, and now I rarely post on the Codex at all, and pretty much just browse the other boards. I didn't mean to say that the quality stuff on the Codex had much to do with me at all since i'm not really an active poster anymore. When i started diverting attention more to the other boards it was pretty noticeable that the posters in GD, myself included, had pretty much nothing to do with what makes the Codex a place for quality crpg discussion.

    Edit: also, if you check my post history, you'll notice that I've mostly posted on the other boards over the last year or so.
     
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  18. evdk comrade troglodyte :M Patron

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    IIRC the decline meme itself is from one such thread.
     
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  19. Zetor Arcane

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    Doesn't match my experience at all (talking about other gaming forums that I've frequented over the last 10+ or even 15+ years). Of course people move on (and new people join), duh, it's the intarweb. But communities tend to have an identity, and actually a lot of the old guard / founders stick around more often than not.
    Both of those sentences are true. :smug:

    Seriously though, I still read the dex from time to time, especially when I want some info on indie cRPG stuff. It's just that the signal/noise ratio isn't anywhere near where it used to be, even if you tune out the jewniggertrannyfag idiocy. For an XXXtreem example, compare a political GD debate from 2002/2003 with any of the GD/politics threads... eh. You can take this as the typical "old man shaking his cane at the darn kids" sentiment if you want!
     
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  20. Zewp Arcane

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    And that didn't happen here? Looking at this one page alone, I count 4 people from 2003/2004.
     
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  21. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Zetor Personally, when I look at old threads on the Dex, from around 2006-2007, I see a lot MORE shitty one liner posts than we have today. I'm talking about RPG threads, not GD.

    It seems to me that a lot of the Codex's "community chat room" functionality has been offloaded to other, more appropriate venues over the years - Facebook, Steam chat, etc. Leaving the forum itself for longer, more in-depth discussions. I bet similar things have happened on other Internet forums.
     
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  22. Zetor Arcane

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    I fail at counting, but one of them is me. That's just semantics, though.

    And no, it's nothing like, say, the Freedom Force community (10+ years) or the Lum the Mad - slownewsday - waterthread - f13 diaspora community (15+ years, over several sites) or the westeros.org community (15+? years). Or comp.sys.ibm-pc.rpg usenet - qt3 - brokenforum.

    e: Infinitron -- I don't disagree... in fact I didn't even visit the dex much between 2003 and 2012, so I don't know what the 2006/7 stuff looked like (that was about the time of the Oblivion invasion, right? That'd be pretty bad, yeah). I wouldn't even say it's a decline, per se... it's just adapting to the different needs of a new community blah blah whatever.
     
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  23. Monty Arcane

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    But..... but...... we've still got Major Blackheart!
     
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  24. Andyman Messiah Mr. Ed-ucated

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    And thank fucking god for that.

    But where the fuck did Fez go?
     
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  25. Zetor Arcane

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    Dude, it's all about POOPERSCOOPER.

    e: and Constipated Craprunner.
     
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