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The Kodex, a den of Hypocrites and Perverts?

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Kz3r0, Jan 13, 2012.

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Is the Kodex a den of Hypocrites and Perverts?

  1. Yeah, welcome to the Skyway.

    14 vote(s)
    19.7%
  2. The Codex is still a bastion of Old Shool incline.

    18 vote(s)
    25.4%
  3. It's just the Next-Gen.

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  4. Nothing new, the Codex is like an Ancient one, endlessly revolving in its own feces and madness.

    38 vote(s)
    53.5%
  1. Darth Roxor Prestigious Gentleman Wielder of the Huegpenis

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    Damn those hypocrites and perverts

    *goes back to reading the amputee romance sim lp*
     
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  2. Majestic47 Learned

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    It's a life changing experience, mang. I think I won't LP anything else ever again after this.
     
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  3. Wyrmlord Arcane

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    Kz3r0 is not seeing the difference between a plurality and a majority.

    Here is a random demonstration with made up numbers. It is for arithmetic demonstration only.

    Most viewed Sengoku Rance thread: 2.0 million views
    Most viewed Fallout thread............: 1.5 million views
    Most viewed Torment thread........: 1.5 million views
    Most viewed Arcanum thread........: 1.5 million views

    Does this mean the Codex enjoys Rance more than Fallout, Torment, Arcanum? NO! Because the total thread views for those three games may still be more than twice for Rance. So Rance is still a niche subject only for a minority of the Codex.

    However, also consider that that you may only ever have two or three big Rance threads on the Codex, while you may have hundreds of small threads for Fallout, Torment, and Arcanum, each for one small topic of each of the games. The reason the views for a Rance thread may be so high is that there may only ever be one Rance thread, so everyone sticks to that thread only. For a super niche game like Rance, the fans would not want to venture out of the main thread to make a smaller thread that will get fewer views and no replies.
     
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  4. Jick Magger Arcane Patron

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    I liked Final Fantasy VII right up until you had to leave Midgar.

    To me, the game just kinda petered out after that.
     
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  5. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    :hmmm:
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    Let's Play Hitomi: My Stepsister Views:100,345
    The Best Hentai Game Views:102,723
     
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  6. Angthoron Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I read LPs of shitty games because it saves me time, money and effort of actually playing a shitty game, plus, I can laugh at an occasional joke and join an occasional rage wagon. Good games, I can play on my own and occasionally comment on.

    Here's a tiny fact: it's easier to discuss things you hate than the things you like - when you like something, you can occasionally feel embarrassed or partial (if you're not a moron) when describing whatever it is, so, you'll try to put your thoughts in a nice, coherent, justified way. Then, a few months later, another similar thread will pop up, and you'll post the same once again; rinse and repeat a few times, and you'll at most post an "Old, use the fucking Search function, newfag" post. On the other hand, a new shitty entry in history of game design will invite at least a dozen people to rage at the developments. As they say, every happy family is happy in the same way, every miserable family is unique. That's just what this is about.

    Face it, people come to Codex mostly to hate these days. At least I largely do. There's little left to love bar an occasional gem, and the old games that everyone discussed to death already. We know how hating works, and we can hate in fairly entertaining ways AND some of us actually know and appreciate good games. That's making Codex more attractive to me than a ton of other, supposedly bigger and better sites. So yeah, of fucking course you'll see more pageviews for FO3 because why the fuck would people with half a brain play it when there's a volunteer victim to cheer on?
     
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  7. AlaCarcuss Arbiter

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    I dunno, often the threads about the shittiest games are the most entertaining to read?
     
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  8. janjetina Arcane Patron

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    It's a little more complicated. Big RPG titles have always been the focus of the discussion on RPG Codex. In addition to all time favorites like Fallout or PS:T, games like TOEE, KOTOR, Morrowind, VTMB, NWN 2, KOTOR 2, MOTB, etc. were the focus of the discussion at the time they were "hot". Independent titles like Prelude to Darkness got the attention, but compared to for example KOTOR, the attention was low. The same thing can be observed if we compare the attention KOTC recieved with the attention received by Fallout 3. The difference is that in the past mainstream RPG titles' quality was variable, and so was the general reception on the Codex. For the past few years, many mainstream RPGs stopped being RPGs all together, moving toward action adventure or FPS genres, but they are still marketed as RPGs. So, as Angthoron described, many people come to the Codex to express their hate toward contemporary mainstream titles labeled as RPGs.


    Different people have different high brow and low brow interests, and some of those interests (art in general) are difficult (and in my particular opinion pointless) to discuss in detail without resorting to walls of text that fail to capture the portion of value of those interests, but every heterosexual man likes tits. A man who claims otherwise is a eunuch, a hypocrite, or a homosexual.

    I can only speak for myself here: I follow those LPs that I consider funny, regardless of the quality of the game played, with a few exceptions (I don't follow hentai LPs as I find the existence of such games disturbing and I sometimes follow an LP to see if the game is worth trying or to see additional content I've missed). I don't despise JRPGs, they are a separate genre from western RPGs and are not really connected to decline of western RPGs.

    Following a LP of a horrible game like Fallout 3 reveals all features of the game in question without the need to resort to secondary sources (which implies trust) and effectively crushes the fanboy "argument" "You can't judge the game if you haven't played it".

    Finally, there is no hivemind. Users like VD and users like tennishero are both members of this site. What really constitutes the decline, is that tennisheros are increasing in numbers and are getting louder, but ignore list, while not solving the problem, makes that problem go away.
     
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  9. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    Not true, the most viewed LPs are about 'hated' games or have been made especially for the Codex, meaning Root's, The Barbarian's and Grotsnick's, seems pretty obvious to me that those are the LPs in which Codexers have the most interest.
    Also:
    Let's Play Ultima: From Akalabeth to Ascension! (Now on VII) Views:122,505
    Let's Play Hearts of Iron 2 (Preparing for D-Day in Asia Views:100,903
    Let's Play - BGT with a Codex Crew Views:92,691
    This is the old shit; Let's Play Baldur's Gate (Completed) Views:74,100
     
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  10. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    My point is that is not true, is just posturing.
    You can discuss everything about high brow subjects without being confrontational, people simply is not interested.
    And if you like boobs you don't need to browse the Codex to find them.
    I always liked that you can discuss Latin and porn here, but now it resemble your average gaming site for teenagers on high hormones.

    But people here scream japshit at every occasion even when they are good games, then you discover that they have played all the FFs, and the SMT LPs are among the ones with the lowest number of views, are you telling me that everyone here played them?

    Someone should have serious issues for following tens of pages of a game he dislike just to see how bad it is, I don't really buy this argument, for example the Arcania LP has an abysmally low number of views.
     
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  11. Angthoron Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Do you have proof of this being posturing? If so, please prove that, say, Angthoron is pretending to very strongly dislike Fallout 3, Oblivion, Dragon Age and many other contemporary masterpieces. If you can not, perhaps you ought to consider that your point only applies to some of the posters rather than either majority or the entirety of the user base.

    Additionally, re: high view numbers in dumb shit threads, people often cross-link retarded crap they find on Codex (say, Hamburger Helper thread) to their friends - at least I do this on a regular basis; the said friends often cross-link it to their other friends, and so on. I've linked FO3 and DA2 LPs to at least ten people each, and they likely linked to five each themselves, so, do some maths.
     
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  12. Mangoose Arcane Patron

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    Why are you so worried about how the population of a forum you go to reflects on you? If you don't like how things are going, post stuff that you like, get out, or join the administration. It's obvious that making a whine post does jack shit except for stir up drama so that you can be praised for putting down the people you don't like (but at the same time want them gone because they reflect badly upon you). Self-aggrandizement.
     
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  13. Roguey Codex Staff Sawyerite

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    All of the poll options are true. The Codex is a diverse place, some opinions are more shared than others.
     
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  14. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    Until now others wanted me gone and explicitly asked for my ban, I never did that.
    Butthurt much?:hmmm:
     
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  15. Mangoose Arcane Patron

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    Why are you so worried about how the population of a forum you go to reflects on you? If you don't like how things are going, post stuff that you like, get out, or join the administration. It's obvious that making a whine post does jack shit except for stir up drama so that you can be praised for putting down the people you don't like (but at the same time want them gone because they reflect badly upon you). Self-aggrandizement.
     
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  16. Lonely Vazdru Pimp my Title

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    Is it groundgoose day ?
     
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  17. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    Double posting is akin to spam, and only shows that this subject is quite touchy for you.
    Or maybe is just personal antipathy:hmmm: .
     
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  18. racofer Thread Incliner

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    The Codex is like this bitter old man that suddenly realizes he's old and gets angry at the world.

    But instead of simply being angry towards everything and everyone newer than itself, the Codex constantly attempts to "blend in", trying some of this new shit for itself simply to have something to complain about later. The Codex has an insatiable thirst for being bitter that only shit can, momentarily, satisfy.

    But the Codex keeps on lying to itself, saying that what it really seeks is the taste of the long gone past.
     
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  19. Lonely Vazdru Pimp my Title

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    I don't know, I don't think people here who play Fallout 3 or Dragon Age do it purely for the lulz or to complain later. I rather believe they do it because they are way more casual than they like to admit. Sure, they may make a face and grumble more than the average Joe when eating their shit sandwich, they may even spit out some and not finish it, but they still eat it.
     
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  20. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    I like the image, even if I doubt that it resembles reality.
     
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  21. Mangoose Arcane Patron

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    What subject? Why would your behavior be touchy for me? Why would I care?

    Why do your project, onto me, your own over-investment of ego into this forum?
     
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  22. Lonely Vazdru Pimp my Title

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    Alright, you boys know the rules. Watch your low blows, kidney punches, rabbit punches. In case of a knockdown, you go to the corner I tell you...and you stay there until I tell you to come out.
    Shake hands and let's have a good fight !
     
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  23. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    Do you realize that yours is the first rabid post in this thread?
    Why the rage?:hmmm:
    This is just a trivial discussion as there are many on a gaming board, still you managed to be offended for no good reason.
    The wounded ego seems yours.
    Or my awesomeness, understandably, gave you an inferiority complex?:troll:
     
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  24. janjetina Arcane Patron

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    But your line of reasoning here is stretched beyond the point of breaking. Do you deduce a general opinion about a particular game (e.g. Fallout 3) from a number of views and/or replies on the topic where the game is discussed, regardless of the content of the replies, to be positive? Doesn't your everyday experience tell you that people tend to criticize things they dislike more than they commend things they like?


    There is a plethora of high brow subjects and different subjects interest different people, and different people have different levels of knowledge about different subjects. For a productive high level discussion there has to be a number of people with common interest and similar levels of knowledge in the topic of interest. Besides, writing about a high brow subject in a way that constitutes appropriate treatment of the subject (as opposed to a short comment of like/dislike nature) takes time, which is a luxury for many people, and effort.

    That's called user friendliness. Besides, a well shaped female body is aesthetically pleasing. Unfortunately, there ARE some genuinely disgusting things to be found in GD, however this is a result of the no ban policy and is very unlikely to change.

    You really can't fight the hormones, but you can take a peek at the tits thread at one moment and discuss Latin (provided that you have the aptitude and the inclination) at another. The thing is that anybody can view tits and very few people can and will discuss Latin.

    Some people do and they are quite loud, but they only speak for themselves. There are also a few vocal JRPG afficionados present on the Codex. I assume that most people fall in the middle. I have played a few JRPGs and will very probably play more in the future, provided that they can be emulated on the PC (I'm not interested in buying a console of any type). The thing is, I probably wouldn't have played them if there were good new western RPGs available (one cannot replay Fallout, PST or JA 2 infinitely many times).

    An example of SMT games brings me to anopther point. I don't like to follow the LPs of the games I haven't played, but I intend to play in the future, because I hate spoilers. I assume that many people feel the same way. I may follow LP of a game I'm currently playing if I'm ahead of the LP in the game (the current example is Persona 4).

    The thing is, the views don't reflect whether someone followed an LP all the way from start to finish. I haven't. I've followed it just enough to confirm my semi-informed (relying on secondary sources) impressions about bad quest design, bad writing and bad combat system, so I can criticise the game from a strong position, impervious to fanboy attacks.

    The difference between Fallout 3 and Arcania is that there is a concensus that Arcania is a bad game, while Fallout 3 is touted as a good game by the mainstream, so we as holders of a minority opinion have to build our arguments on the strong foundation of the informed opinion and there are only two ways to make sure of that. One is playing the game, other is following its LP. When it comes to shitty games, I would choose latter. For me, following the Fallout 3 LP for a while was what cemented the final decision not to even try and pirate that game.

    But what makes you draw a conclusion that people follow the LPs of the games they like?

    Also, you should not neglect the weird fascination with the train wrecks that some people have.

    In any case, trying to assign simple, one-sided motivations for people's actions doesn't work in this case. Individual differences are too big.
     
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  25. CorpseZeb Learned

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    Ha! On the contrary, games like DA:O make your play style causal.


    Ps. Long, boring, un-grammatical explanation: While old games usually requires tons of free time (and free time was really "free" when you were... hm... not-so-adult-at-all), newer production catches you in the sort of middle-erection - you want to-do some deep-play penetration, but you can't do that, because of "causality style". There's no tension, no urgent feeling to burn unproductively some night hours of your life into an artificial pixel world. For the sake of "old good times" I made over 300 hours of hiking in the Oblivion (...don't say anything) but I never "feel" these hours, they... dunno... escape/sink somewhere. On the other hand, I remember clearly every bits of my M&M's fun or my JA slow crawling walkthrough. Who'll blame? Game? You? Causality can comes to man with age, sure, that's horrible disease, but "today", I blame rather causality style of games.

    Ps2. And - hey - about topic - You can't be serious, without being silly sometimes. And vice versa.
     
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