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The Kodex, a den of Hypocrites and Perverts?

Is the Kodex a den of Hypocrites and Perverts?

  • Yeah, welcome to the Skyway.

    Votes: 14 19.7%
  • The Codex is still a bastion of Old Shool incline.

    Votes: 18 25.4%
  • It's just the Next-Gen.

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Nothing new, the Codex is like an Ancient one, endlessly revolving in its own feces and madness.

    Votes: 38 53.5%

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laclongquan

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The Codex is like this bitter old man that suddenly realizes he's old and gets angry at the world.

But instead of simply being angry towards everything and everyone newer than itself, the Codex constantly attempts to "blend in", trying some of this new shit for itself simply to have something to complain about later. The Codex has an insatiable thirst for being bitter that only shit can, momentarily, satisfy.

But the Codex keeps on lying to itself, saying that what it really seeks is the taste of the long gone past.



The Codex is like this bitter old man that suddenly realizes he's old and no longer in the hunting range of those sweet young thangs!

But instead of simply being angry towards women in general and everygirls in sight in particular, the Codex constantly attempts to "get younger", hitting on some of those new meats on the block simply to have something to complain about later. The Codex has an insatiable thirst for being rejected that only an old perv can, momentarily, compare.

But the Codex keeps on lying to itself, saying that what it really seeks is the strength of the relationship.
 

Surf Solar

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The shit to good ratio on the dex is fine as it is, IMO. No reason to get touchy. :love:
 

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Is the Kodex a den of Hypocrites and Perverts?
If that question is to imply that there are perverts on the dex: Sure. You'd have to be blind not to notice them.
If that question is to imply that all codexers are perverts you should really stop projecting (and perhaps spend less time in GD and hentai LPs...).
As for "hypocrites"...we had that claim so often I'm starting to get really sick of it: None of you fucking morons who make that claim ever managed to come up with a single example (of an established poster whose opinion is generally taken seriously. There was skyway and his like of KotOR, but even that is simply a change/refinement of taste that happened over years. He doesn't exactly run around bashing new games for certain stuff while praising KotOR for exactly the same stuff.). A (changing) community as a whole cannot be hypocritical, no matter how many views certain threads have. And you have to be a moron to equal "views" to "liking" a game.
There, now be nice and butthurt about somebody not taking your nonsense seriously, k2rezr00.
 

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If the RPG Codex seems shittier now, it's just because the 'RPG' part has nothing new to talk about besides arguing over which action games with stats are and aren't RPGs. Dungeons of Dredmor and Frayed Knights are only so interesting, and they probably won't be inspiring 50 page threads.

Yep, only so much can be said about the classics, and if you search through the codex, it has been said, at length and in great detail. :deadhorse:

What games did we really have to talk about this year? Frayed Knights, Dungeons of Dredmor, KoTC, DE:HR(*gag*), Skyrim(*hurl*)? We bitched, we played them, we discussed them, we bitched, but you can't spend a whole year talking about so little.

MMOGs, consoles, the economy, etc. etc. etc. When you add it all up it's probably been the worst year of cRPGs in the history of computer gaming. So we talk about boobs and football and hentai to console ourselves. :(
 

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Does this thread threaten the Codex? There is certainly a very high amount of brofisting going on here towards those white knighting for the forum.
 

Kz3r0

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Do you have proof of this being posturing? If so, please prove that, say, Angthoron is pretending to very strongly dislike Fallout 3, Oblivion, Dragon Age and many other contemporary masterpieces. If you can not, perhaps you ought to consider that your point only applies to some of the posters rather than either majority or the entirety of the user base.
The fact that the whole of the Codex has gone from Bathesda shit to let's play Skyrim for 100 hours is all the proof that is needed, try to single out some poster is useless.
Additionally, re: high view numbers in dumb shit threads, people often cross-link retarded crap they find on Codex (say, Hamburger Helper thread) to their friends - at least I do this on a regular basis; the said friends often cross-link it to their other friends, and so on. I've linked FO3 and DA2 LPs to at least ten people each, and they likely linked to five each themselves, so, do some maths.
Anectodal evidence combined with patronizing attitude, I can safely say that your opinion is worthless sir.:obviously:
 

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The fact that the whole of the Codex has gone from Bathesda shit to let's play Skyrim for 100 hours is all the proof that is needed...

...Anectodal evidence combined with patronizing attitude, I can safely say that your opinion is worthless sir.:obviously:

:thumbsup:
 

Kz3r0

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But your line of reasoning here is stretched beyond the point of breaking. Do you deduce a general opinion about a particular game (e.g. Fallout 3) from a number of views and/or replies on the topic where the game is discussed, regardless of the content of the replies, to be positive? Doesn't your everyday experience tell you that people tend to criticize things they dislike more than they commend things they like?
Men in RL discuss pussy and football all the time, apply your own logic now.


There is a plethora of high brow subjects and different subjects interest different people, and different people have different levels of knowledge about different subjects. For a productive high level discussion there has to be a number of people with common interest and similar levels of knowledge in the topic of interest. Besides, writing about a high brow subject in a way that constitutes appropriate treatment of the subject (as opposed to a short comment of like/dislike nature) takes time, which is a luxury for many people, and effort.
SO, to discuss certain subjects you need to have a master degree on it and could post only long essays while writing of it on a forum?

You really can't fight the hormones, but you can take a peek at the tits thread at one moment and discuss Latin (provided that you have the aptitude and the inclination) at another. The thing is that anybody can view tits and very few people can and will discuss Latin.
In short, the Codex is more and more like any other forum, only with much more vulgarity.



Some people do and they are quite loud, but they only speak for themselves. There are also a few vocal JRPG afficionados present on the Codex. I assume that most people fall in the middle. I have played a few JRPGs and will very probably play more in the future, provided that they can be emulated on the PC (I'm not interested in buying a console of any type). The thing is, I probably wouldn't have played them if there were good new western RPGs available (one cannot replay Fallout, PST or JA 2 infinitely many times).
The point is not that they like JRPGs, the point is that they pretend to hate them.

An example of SMT games brings me to anopther point. I don't like to follow the LPs of the games I haven't played, but I intend to play in the future, because I hate spoilers. I assume that many people feel the same way. I may follow LP of a game I'm currently playing if I'm ahead of the LP in the game (the current example is Persona 4).
Are you seriously implying that people don't follow the SMT series because is busy playing it at the moment?


The thing is, the views don't reflect whether someone followed an LP all the way from start to finish. I haven't. I've followed it just enough to confirm my semi-informed (relying on secondary sources) impressions about bad quest design, bad writing and bad combat system, so I can criticise the game from a strong position, impervious to fanboy attacks.
The number of views, compared with other LPs with a similar number of views, imply a strong interest that goes beyond simple checking.

The difference between Fallout 3 and Arcania is that there is a concensus that Arcania is a bad game, while Fallout 3 is touted as a good game by the mainstream, so we as holders of a minority opinion have to build our arguments on the strong foundation of the informed opinion and there are only two ways to make sure of that. One is playing the game, other is following its LP. When it comes to shitty games, I would choose latter. For me, following the Fallout 3 LP for a while was what cemented the final decision not to even try and pirate that game.
In short, Codexers are only interested in mainstream games, even if only to hate them? I always thought that this was a fringe website.
Besides, wouldn't been more interesting an LP of a reviled game just to see what the fuss is all about, instead of an LP of an AAA+ title of which you can collect all the informations you want without even trying?

But what makes you draw a conclusion that people follow the LPs of the games they like?
By the fact that the first LPs by number of views are Andy's lulzy LP of FFVII and Rance, and that people liked those is out of question, and the others are the ones made by Root, The Barbarian and Grotsnick, that by their very nature require people's approval to go on, seems odd that only FO3 and DA:O are the only loathed ones of the bunch.


Also, you should not neglect the weird fascination with the train wrecks that some people have.
Are you saying that Codexers are more attracted by the horrid than anything else?

In any case, trying to assign simple, one-sided motivations for people's actions doesn't work in this case. Individual differences are too big.
Statistics disagrees with you, and what this individual differences would be?
The sheer number of views clearly shows that the same people continuously read them, do you really think that the number of occasional lurkers was that big?
 

Kz3r0

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If that question is to imply that there are perverts on the dex: Sure. You'd have to be blind not to notice them.
It's the way Codexers usually like to portray themselves, you can call it meta-ironic or poor worded if you prefer.

If that question is to imply that all codexers are perverts you should really stop projecting (and perhaps spend less time in GD and hentai LPs...).
How clever, take a word literally and build your own straw-man.

As for "hypocrites"...we had that claim so often I'm starting to get really sick of it: None of you fucking morons who make that claim ever managed to come up with a single example (of an established poster whose opinion is generally taken seriously.
Let me quote myself:
The fact that the whole of the Codex has gone from Bathesda shit to let's play Skyrim for 100 hours is all the proof that is needed, try to single out some poster is useless.
There was skyway and his like of KotOR, but even that is simply a change/refinement of taste that happened over years. He doesn't exactly run around bashing new games for certain stuff while praising KotOR for exactly the same stuff.). A (changing) community as a whole cannot be hypocritical, no matter how many views certain threads have. And you have to be a moron to equal "views" to "liking" a game.
See the above quote and my other posts after yours.
There, now be nice and butthurt about somebody not taking your nonsense seriously, k2rezr00.
You seems awfully upset, why?
 

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Men in RL discuss pussy and football all the time, apply your own logic now.

They also discuss politics, politicians, bosses and economic situation. People discuss things they feel strongly about, regardless of whether they feel positive or negative about them.

SO, to discuss certain subjects you need to have a master degree on it and could post only long essays while writing of it on a forum?

This is definitely not what I said, so you should reread the passage you quoted. I haven't stipulated the need for the expert level of knowledge, but you have to know something about the subject to discuss it. Considering your example of Latin, I don't think that two years of learning Latin in high school and specific knowledge of Latin terminology in anatomy qualifies me to productively discuss the subject. As for long essays, one can be brief and say "I like it" or "I hate it" on certain topics, but that doesn't add much to discussion. There will always be someone who will want you to back your position or someone who will misread you and you will inevitably have to be forced to elaborate, which leads to walls of text.

In short, the Codex is more and more like any other forum, only with much more vulgarity.

I wouldn't know much about how other forums are like, aside from Codex I'm only active on one forum and semi-active on NMA. What I do know is that good discussion on game design, good gaming recommendations and even some humor can be found here.


The point is not that they like JRPGs, the point is that they pretend to hate them.

This would be irrational behaviour. For me, it is quite easy to believe that there are people on this forum who hate different kinds of games. There are even those who hate Fallout. Nothing can really be gained by pretending. Hating or liking JRPGs in general doesn't make anyone seem more or less smart or cool.

Are you seriously implying that people don't follow the SMT series because is busy playing it at the moment?

This is one, minority reason. If I see a LP of a game that I haven't played, and if it intrigues me enough to play the game myself, I will stop reading the LP until I'm ahead in the game (this may take a while and sometimes LPs get "Imageshacked" before I return to them). There are other possible reasons that encompass the majority, but let those who have them elaborate themselves.


The number of views, compared with other LPs with a similar number of views, imply a strong interest that goes beyond simple checking.

But you don't know what the motive for the interest is, and you don't know whether the views belong to RPG Codex members or guests. You do a lot of assuming.


In short, Codexers are only interested in mainstream games, even if only to hate them? I always thought that this was a fringe website.

No. Many Codexers are mainly interested in good games and in criticizing bad games which bring about the demise of the genre because of their influence on the genre, or because they represent rape of their beloved game. To be honest, the amount of attention shitty games like Fallout 3 and Skyrim get bothers me a little, but I've dealt with it.


Besides, wouldn't been more interesting an LP of a reviled game just to see what the fuss is all about, instead of an LP of an AAA+ title of which you can collect all the informations you want without even trying?

The thing is, you can't. Most of the "information" about AAA titles are shills and lies. Someone you trust and you share taste for games with has to play them and give you that information. Or you can view an LP. But, I agree with you that it is not necessary following the LP from start to finish to conclude that the game is indeed irredemably shitty.


By the fact that the first LPs by number of views are Andy's lulzy LP of FFVII and Rance, and that people liked those is out of question, and the others are the ones made by Root, The Barbarian and Grotsnick, that by their very nature require people's approval to go on, seems odd that only FO3 and DA:O are the only loathed ones of the bunch.

Sorting LP threads by views reveals a mixture of good games, bad games, lulz LPs and codexian adventures you mentioned. There is no pattern here, except that more obscure titles get less attention (if that wasn't true, they wouldn't be more obscure).

Are you saying that Codexers are more attracted by the horrid than anything else?

No.


Statistics disagrees with you,

Attention != affection.

and what this individual differences would be?

Reread previous posts.

The sheer number of views clearly shows that the same people continuously read them, do you really think that the number of occasional lurkers was that big?

What do you base your estimate that it wasn't that big on?
 
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And, worst of all, a FO 3 LP, one of the most hated games here, supposedly.
Wait, what? That Fallout 3 LP is one of the most wonderful LPs on the Internet. DriacKin's comments are witty and smart, the FACT: and [Intelligence] jokes/facts are pure old-school. He showed the whole silliness of FO3 and epitomized what a lot of us were thinking about the game back then.
:respect:
 

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I know that the whole Hivemind and monocle thingie weren't meant to be taken seriously, but after seeing that even in the Playground the most viewed LPs are an Hentai game, Rance,
You can't rely on most viewed because - as I understand it - includes guests viewing the thread too. Thus, anyone searching for "Hentai" (as a lot of people who find the Codex seemingly do) gets counted. The Codex picks up a lot of strange searches that our eclectic mix of topics seem to attract. Just try "transsexual rpg" for instance. You're also comparing X thousand messages across several forums and discussions with one LP. EG: Search for threads with just "Skyrim" in the title and count the views (across all 5 pages of results) and compare that to threads with "Sengoku" in the title (1 page with 15 results, half of which seem to be about avatars).

I know, many say that has more C&C than any RPG ou there, but still.
"But still" what? If it's a game which people are able to say has more C&C than any RPG out there - than isn't that what this place is about?

If I would have been an administrator of this site I seriously wondered if all the lost ads are worthy the hassle to run a site that is a step away to be like many other dedicated to pornography and cracks, just to permit to pirates to shit on the games they play.
The only real ads that would be relevant to an RPG site that would also pay enough to fund the Codex (like say, all the other "respectable sites") would be doing deals with publishers and getting banners for The Next AAA Title™ down both sides of the page. Those deals come with terms like "must rate it 90%+". You'd lose the purpose for the Codex about 12 seconds after you sign one of those¹. If people still want to say "Mass Effect sucks donkeyballs and here's 150 reasons why" then get into some argument with someone else about it, and we still want to let that happen, then ads will always be a problem. At best your issue seems to be that people are talking about a Hentai game... Which actually has a remarkable amount of C&C apparently anyway and which the Codex is covering in the news. I mean, if it was an LP about "Hot Japanase Shoolgirls #4" where all you do is pick which one to fuck then we might have a problem.


¹Ink takes approximately 12 seconds to completely dry.
 

Wyrmlord

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You guys are both retarded.
This topic is really an overlong discussion about how one of the many internet message boards out there fails to live up to one single poster's personal standards.

In other words, Kz3r0 joins the same group comprised of Elkston the Racism Expert, 1eyedking the Art Director, and Liberal the Georgian.
 

Lonely Vazdru

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Say again ?
 

Kz3r0

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The only real ads that would be relevant to an RPG site that would also pay enough to fund the Codex (like say, all the other "respectable sites") would be doing deals with publishers and getting banners for The Next AAA Title™ down both sides of the page. Those deals come with terms like "must rate it 90%+". You'd lose the purpose for the Codex about 12 seconds after you sign one of those¹. If people still want to say "Mass Effect sucks donkeyballs and here's 150 reasons why" then get into some argument with someone else about it, and we still want to let that happen, then ads will always be a problem. At best your issue seems to be that people are talking about a Hentai game... Which actually has a remarkable amount of C&C apparently anyway and which the Codex is covering in the news. I mean, if it was an LP about "Hot Japanase Shoolgirls #4" where all you do is pick which one to fuck then we might have a problem.


¹Ink takes approximately 12 seconds to completely dry.
Thanks for the answer, I still have my reservations, but the topic has already been discussed at length, so I will stop here.
 

Angthoron

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Do you have proof of this being posturing? If so, please prove that, say, Angthoron is pretending to very strongly dislike Fallout 3, Oblivion, Dragon Age and many other contemporary masterpieces. If you can not, perhaps you ought to consider that your point only applies to some of the posters rather than either majority or the entirety of the user base.

The fact that the whole of the Codex has gone from Bathesda shit to let's play Skyrim for 100 hours is all the proof that is needed, try to single out some poster is useless.

So Oblivion and Shivering Isles LP that took place when Bethesda was stated to be shit by just about everyone doesn't confuse you? DriacKin's FO3 LP in the midst of FO3 hate? No further proof required indeed.

Additionally, re: high view numbers in dumb shit threads, people often cross-link retarded crap they find on Codex (say, Hamburger Helper thread) to their friends - at least I do this on a regular basis; the said friends often cross-link it to their other friends, and so on. I've linked FO3 and DA2 LPs to at least ten people each, and they likely linked to five each themselves, so, do some maths.
Anectodal evidence combined with patronizing attitude, I can safely say that your opinion is worthless sir.:obviously:

Haha, what.
 

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The codex consist almost entirely of circlejerk. Even in GRPG.

Its even so in general gaming, look at this thread.
 

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