Meant to quote Sentinel here but it got fucked up: I just don't like hypocrites. You can't praise PS:T as the second coming of christ and then turn around and shit on TLoU because it's a movie game when it has more gameplay than PS:T. It's okay to dislike the game on other basis, just don't be a hypocrite and actually use your brains to justify your hatred of it.
It's really annoying how so much of the codex pretends to be monocled gentlemen who take gameplay over anything else but then you look at the top 10 lists and it's filled to the brim with games with absolute fucking garbage gameplay.
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I actually agree with Sentinel about this. I played and really enjoyed both games, but they are both storyfag games. If anything, the gameplay in TLOU is more substantial than PST. PST is basically a visual novel with some OK combat. Yes, there are different consequences for dialogue choices, but IIRC you're railroaded into specific choices if you want the full experience. It doesn't make sense to play as anything but a high INT character. You're railroaded into certain steps to advance the plot. I probably like PST better overall because the writing is great and the setting is so interesting, but TLOU is emotionally powerful even if you are cynical and jaded. It's definitely not the greatest game of all time or a timeless work of art, but it's probably the best of it's sub-genre. It also has really good music. The SJW is influence is relatively low in the base game. It's worth playing unless you just hate AAA games in this style.
Perhaps this makes me a cuck instead of a cuckmasher, but that's what I think.
I am not going to ever buy the sequel because a) the ending of the first game was perfect and there should never have been a sequel, and b) this is going to be preachy SJW bullshit that I don't want to play. I am definitely enjoying all of the drama here and on reddit though.
Disagree, there is no story quite like Planescape in games and it's been 22 years since it's release. When TLOU came out we already had Bioshock and Walking dead with similar story.
TLOU had a character development level you will get from random season of Walking Dead TV series, but it's apparently a high bar for videogames (proven by shit stories like Life is Strange and Heavy Rain getting high scores), so everyone praised that shit. Music is good, couple good tracks, yeah, like in every fucking game published by Japanese company (From Software has twelve of them for each game). So tell me, why how is this game special in any way besides it's looks? Where the fuck is the substance you claim it has? It has less emotional impact than Telltale's Walking Dead, less plot twist than Infinite and less character development than God Of War.
Also, I don't know why you retards keep measuring every fucking custscene infested, story-driven game to Planescape, even though latter completely blows it out of the water. TLOU is not nearly as good and is not something you can point to and say- "only videogames can tell that kind of story". TLOU is a movie game, the movie part is average and it tries to be a movie more than it tries to be a game: every step= scripts, walking sequences with talking, tons of cutscenes. There is no exploration, no things that you can miss or not figure out in the game. You says it's equally as impactful and substantial? Name me a scene that is as good and substantial, as nameless one conversing with his pragmatic self, name a scene similar to when player gets thrown out of his character into the narrator and gets to observe, what he thought was a blank slate, having a conversation with his loved one.
Maybe substance you speak of is in the world of the game? A typical zombie apocalypse, but virus is more tangible or a multiverse shaped by beliefs and imaginations?
Characters? An old grizzled action guy, who is afraid to connect with people (never seen this before) or immortal man who is cursed to die and forget himself for eternity, altering world around with each persona he developes and lives as. Whose goal is more interesting? Saving girl or finding out what he is? Ellie or every companion from Nameless one's group ( Dak'kon is a way more compelling character than her, imo)?
Themes? Humans are real monsters (theme beaten to death and explored better in the very early Post-apocalypse books), family matters (done better in Walking Dead and God of War). Not much going on here, honestly.
Gameplay? Well point and shoot, and throw molotovs is better than spamming death clouds. But is it unique? Nah. Is it done way better than in other shooter games? Not really.
Again like what you like, but don't try to elevate it by comparing it to something clearly better than it. It's not the case.
It's a good game, that no one would care for, if it didn't have a giant budged to make it look good. I'd put Walking Dead over it any day, it's done the same story better with tenth of TLOU's budged.
Planescape is on another plane. Call me a butthurt fanboy, but I stand by this.
