Decline Thiaf Pre-Release Thread

[skacky]

Nah I think they have no idea what they're doing and are just going full damage control trying to convince the old fans to buy the game in a desperate attempt.

 

[sexbad?]

I think they started with a plan to get interest from new people to overcome the vitriol of olds. Now, since that never really happened, they might be trying to get away from some of the modern conventions that drove them into the ground community-wise. Knowing the deviousness of lots of publishers, it's very possible that there are team members who have actually been waiting on the day that they would get told they can finally remove the XP system and other little trinkets that sound really dumb. Of course, they've only got four months to save Christmas.

 

[Shadenuat]

While it makes developers seem like they don't know what Thief is about, XP change can't be difficult to pull out, and they might have done it by observing their beta testers. You had to use 100 xp for killing 4 guys each giving 25 xp to improve your arrows at level 3. Now you'll get some gold from them, 25 per guard to buy new arrows which cost 100 gold at level 3. It's weird to even think that somebody have written "xp for headshots" into the design doc, but that won't hurt quality of the game at all at this stage. Whatever the quality of this stuff is supposed to be.

 

[Zewp]

Thank fucking god b1skit is gone. A worse CM I have not seen in a long time.

b1skit, u dun SWOOPED

 

[Oesophagus]

Great, now add jumping and climbing, open levels, a plot that isn't ridiculous and a protagonist who isn't a high school goth

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Let them remove the fucking weedsmoke effects first.

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

GUISE I MANAGED TO GET THE ENDING INFO:
Garrot wakes up after smoking a large pot with Erin sucking his cock on a burning bridge. They fall down, but Garrot survives and cries over Erin's body.
The end.

 

[Outlander]

^ Sounds like it could be an ending to a Dragon Age game

 

[JarlFrank]

Nah I think they have no idea what they're doing and are just going full damage control trying to convince the old fans to buy the game in a desperate attempt.

Well, that train has left long ago... the fan reaction on TTLG is just as negative as here on the dex, and even the press isn't very positive about this game. And now that TDM standalone is out, none of the old fans will even care anymore.

 

[Azazel]

It took a week of waiting for the process to complete, but I have successfully had the wiki entry for Thi4fs shitty new voice actor deleted for "Lack of Notability".

 

[AlexOfSpades]

Has anyone read this article? It sums up my views on the new Thiaf quite well:

http://sneakybastards.net/theobserver/thief-hands-on/

Probably its an old thing and everyone read it already, but i just stumbled upon it.

 

[Echo Mirage]

And to add to that here is what the idiots themselves have to say about the XP system being scrapped.

The reaction from fans to the "Headshot XP" pop-up in the E3 gameplay demo was fairly negative. Did that have an impact on the decision to remove it from the game?

Daniel: Fans might be surprised how often the devs go to the forum to see how things are perceived in the "real world". This feedback is extremely valuable to us, so as you can imagine, the consistent reaction to the XP system was something that indicated we needed to revisit some design decisions.

As a member of the Eidos forums from the day the studio first opened the forums I can state one fact: BULLSHIT they never touched the forums and only responded to stuff that was filtered and handed on by the moderators.

Nic: It is more a design decision to add to our economy system and entice the player to steal more. But yes, the E3 reaction was right, rewarding killing like that was wrong for a Master Thief.

Yet it still made it into the design document and almost made it into the release game.

What happened to Adam? Doesn't he usually do these Q&As?
We're sorry to announce that Adam has decided to leave Eidos-Montréal to pursue new opportunities. We're going to miss him dearly around the office, and I hope you'll join me in thanking him for all his tireless work and dedication to the Thief and Deus Ex communities. He's leaving some gigantic shoes to fill (the man had huge feet, for real), but I'll do my best to keep you informed and entertained until we can introduce you to a new Community Manager.

"for all his tireless work and dedication to the Thief and Deus Ex communities". Tireless work in insulting and pushing away as many communities as possible and dedication in searching for a new job so he could avoid having to answer forum questions for weeks on end.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

I'm starting to wonder if the Holocaust, if it was a project "in development" and had a forum that the "fanbase" could discuss and comment on, would have gone through the same things.

It would be... interesting, to say the least. Claiming that the moderators were nazis would be utterly pointless, all the leet-speak would be in German and users would be... "recruited" at random to take part in the alpha testing phase, never to return.

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

I'm starting to wonder if the Holocaust, if it was a project "in development" and had a forum that the "fanbase" could discuss and comment on, would have gone through the same things.

It would be... interesting, to say the least. Claiming that the moderators were nazis would be utterly pointless, all the leet-speak would be in German and users would be... "recruited" at random to take part in the alpha testing phase, never to return.

Holocaust or Doritos, which is worse and why? Diskuss!

 

[Infinitron]

Unkillable Cat Godwin thanks you!

 

[Echo Mirage]

Eidos is to cheap to have Doritos and mountain dew. We will have to settle for a Holocaust of fatty Rustlers microwave burgers and perhaps a glass of cheap middle eastern cola instead.

 

[Ninjerk]

Eidos is to cheap to have Doritos and mountain dew. We will have to settle for a Holocaust of fatty Rustlers microwave burgers and perhaps a glass of cheap middle eastern cola instead.

ROFL I forgot about that stupid burger deal.

 

[Echo Mirage]

Eidos is to cheap to have Doritos and mountain dew. We will have to settle for a Holocaust of fatty Rustlers microwave burgers and perhaps a glass of cheap middle eastern cola instead.

ROFL I forgot about that stupid burger deal.

I don't remember if you were on the forum when it happened but we even had a Rustlers PR rep show up on the forum and ask for someone named Andrew. It turned out he had won the exciting trip to sunny and upbeat Detroit, but for some reason not cashed it in. I don't think anyone claimed it in the end. Yet of course Myimmortal before she was unmasked as be being Viktoria as well was plying her trade via PM's to get it for herself.

Either way the whole Rustlers PR thing was terrible to the point that as far as I can tell ended prematurely and did more damage then good.

 

[Ninjerk]

Eidos is to cheap to have Doritos and mountain dew. We will have to settle for a Holocaust of fatty Rustlers microwave burgers and perhaps a glass of cheap middle eastern cola instead.

ROFL I forgot about that stupid burger deal.

I don't remember if you were on the forum when it happened but we even had a Rustlers PR rep show up on the forum and ask for someone named Andrew. It turned out he had won the exciting trip to sunny and upbeat Detroit, but for some reason not cashed it in. I don't think anyone claimed it in the end. Yet of course Myimmortal before she was unmasked as be being Viktoria as well was plying her trade via PM's to get it for herself.

Either way the whole Rustlers PR thing was terrible to the point that as far as I can tell ended prematurely and did more damage then good.

Is there evidence of the PMs?

 

[Echo Mirage]

Eidos is to cheap to have Doritos and mountain dew. We will have to settle for a Holocaust of fatty Rustlers microwave burgers and perhaps a glass of cheap middle eastern cola instead.

ROFL I forgot about that stupid burger deal.

I don't remember if you were on the forum when it happened but we even had a Rustlers PR rep show up on the forum and ask for someone named Andrew. It turned out he had won the exciting trip to sunny and upbeat Detroit, but for some reason not cashed it in. I don't think anyone claimed it in the end. Yet of course Myimmortal before she was unmasked as be being Viktoria as well was plying her trade via PM's to get it for herself.

Either way the whole Rustlers PR thing was terrible to the point that as far as I can tell ended prematurely and did more damage then good.

Is there evidence of the PMs?

Only what Myimmortal herself said at the time. She showed great interest in what happens if the person who won the trip didn't come forward, asked outright in the thread if she could have it while everyone else was laughing about how bad the prize was to begin with. Then she told everyone that she would speak to the rep about it via PM's.

Sometime later I sent some PM's around the forums to a few in the know posters who now have all left that place. The only thing I found out from them is that, supposedly, she had been speaking with Coyotegrey, whom she was seen to be the right hand of on the forums for the trip. I have nothing beyond that to back it up beyond that but I believed it. It just fit her character so well from what I had seen on the TTLG forums and my few dealings with her via PM's. And I especially started to believe it when one night in the very early hours of the morning I was on the forums and I came across a moderator was was online who I had never heard of before. Lets just say that Viktoria and Myimmortal were not her only accounts and one of the moderators had been tasked to hunt them all down.

Funny how someone who was so religiously devoted to quoting the TOU went about breaking it.

 

[Ninjerk]

I knew she was crazy as a shithouse rat, but... damn.

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

She seems pretty nice.
I guess we could be a nice couple.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

exciting trip to sunny and upbeat Detroit

Well, they got the "exciting" bit right. Not even Garrett would think of venturing into eastern Detroit to find ways to make his rent.

 

[Cassidy]

exciting trip to sunny and upbeat Detroit

Well, they got the "exciting" bit right. Not even Garrett would think of venturing into eastern Detroit to find ways to make his rent.

It couldn't be worse than the abandoned Old Quarter with the Haunted Cathedral, unless Garrett is so racist he'd rather walk among undead than among black people.

 

[Boleskine]

Why do I have a feeling this game will sell and review well enough such that the developer/publisher do not learn a single thing?