Interview Tim Cain interviewed by DAC

[Jaesun]

Fallout 3 is a great game, why wouldn't he like it? It may not be an "authentic" Fallout sequel, but who the fuck cares?

FFS

Define Great Game....

 

[jagged-jimmy]

bla bla

This is going nowhere. I just expressed how i interpreted your "And?" post.

And who cares. Tim made the awesome Fallout, but thats doesn't mean he doesn't like games for what they are. Obviously Fallout 3 has some "in your face"-references of the orinals, so yeah the designers did steal some lore and bothered to check out the old games.

But he clearly stated he would've made it differently, which reads like "it wasn't true fallout", atleast for me. And yes, in my opinion the awesome Tim just can't like that garbage.

 

[Droog White Smile]

But Tim always liked sandbox games. So I'll ask again, why wouldn't he like Fallout 3?

Here's another quote for you:

And that's what I loved about Fallout . I often found people would be coming to their friends, "Yeah, I played Fallout last night. I found this crashed flying saucer and I got this really cool weapon and it let me go into this base and then I found this, this, this..." [And the friend says] "What are you talking about? I never saw that. I never had that encounter. I never had that follower. How do you get that follower? He won't join me." That's the kind of experience I want in an RPG, and I don't see it as much.

Doesn't this sound exactly like what Fallout 3 has to offer? Maybe Tim always wanted Fallout to be a huge sandbox game with enemies to kill, places to find and stuff to loot instead of a "deep" and "intelligent" story-driven game, but the technology/finances at the time didn't let this happen?

Maybe.

 

[Black]

We've been over this Droogie. Concious dev decision.

 

[Little Donkey]

What would happen if Tim turned out to be another Horus Heresy?

 

[FeelTheRads]

Maybe Tim always wanted Fallout to be a huge sandbox game with enemies to kill, places to find and stuff to loot instead of a "deep" and "intelligent" story-driven game, but the technology/finances at the time didn't let this happen?

Maybe.

Do you think you are original or something? Beth-tards have claimed this since I don't know when. LOL DIDNT HAEV TECHNOLOAGY IF THEY DID FALLUT WUD HAEV BEEN LIEK CRISIS LOL>

If that's what he wanted to do when why did he say he would've done it differently?

Jesus, you're an imbecile. So supposedly he likes it. So what? Does that make it a "great game"? Does that mean that's what he wanted to do?

 

[Black]

Maybe Tim always wanted Fallout to be a huge sandbox game with enemies to kill, places to find and stuff to loot instead of a "deep" and "intelligent" story-driven game, but the technology/finances at the time didn't let this happen?

Maybe.

Do you think you are original or something? Beth-tards have claimed this since I don't know when. LOL DIDNT HAEV TECHNOLOAGY IF THEY DID FALLUT WUD HAEV BEEN LIEK CRISIS LOL>

If that's what he wanted to do when why did he say he would've done it differently?

Jesus, you're an imbecile. So supposedly he likes it. So what? Does that make it a "great game"? Does that mean that's what he wanted to do?

Adding to this.

I often found people would be coming to their friends, "Yeah, I played Fallout last night. I found this crashed flying saucer and I got this really cool weapon and it let me go into this base and then I found this, this, this..." [And the friend says] "What are you talking about? I never saw that. I never had that encounter. I never had that follower. How do you get that follower? He won't join me."

Yeah, FO1 and 2 already had this. More and better than FO3 too. Sorry.

 

[Droog White Smile]

Do you think you are original or something? Beth-tards have claimed this since I don't know when. LOL DIDNT HAEV TECHNOLOAGY IF THEY DID FALLUT WUD HAEV BEEN LIEK CRISIS LOL>

It's funny to see you dumbasses deny this.

Do you really think that if the Fallout dev team had today's technology they would still make it a 640x480 2D game?

 

[Black]

I remember Droog being an ogre, not a troll.
But obviously I've been proven wrong.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Do you really think that if the Fallout dev team had today's technology they would still make it a 640x480 2D game?

Because when Fallout was made 3D was impossible.

Are you intentionally being dense or are you simply going through the list of Beth-tard idiocies?

640x480 2D was hardly the point though. Leaving aside the fact that Fallout was never intended to be first-person, the graphics are not the main thing that's wrong with Fallout 3. Not by far. The things that are wrong with it have nothing to do with technology.

The more posts I read from you the more I see you're completely clueless about video game history and game design. Are you older than 15? Seriously.

Edit:

Also, you dumbshit, since you keep talking about sandbox, Darklands was released in 1992 and it's better at being sandbox than anything Bethesda vomited since their birth. But wait, it's not 3D and first-person which I guess means it sucks.

 

[Droog White Smile]

2D doesn't just mean "graphics", it means flat landscape, primitive level design, etc.

Honestly, I can't fathom Fallout 1/2 being better sandbox games than Fallout 3, simply because they're nothing more than isometric grids. Fallout 3, on the other hand, features a very large, carefully crafted "real" world that is very fun to explore.

You can hate on Fallout 3 if you think it makes you edgy or whatever, but at least try to prove your point instead of calling your opponent "imbecile", "15 year old" or "bethtard".

 

[FeelTheRads]

Honestly, I can't fathom Fallout 1/2 being better sandbox games than Fallout 3

I see, and Fallout 1/2 were intended to be sandbox? Well, that's interesting.

Fallout 3, on the other hand, features a very large, carefully crafted "real" world that is very fun to explore.

Yes, 3D>2D => better game. I understand.
Again, Darklands wipes the floor with anything Bethesduh ever made.

You can hate on Fallout 3 if you think it makes you edgy or whatever, but at least try to prove your point instead of calling your opponent "imbecile", "15 year old" or "bethtard".

Give it up, kid. There have been reasons repeated ad-nauseam. If you're too stupid to find them or maybe they're not enough for you then that's it.

 

[Hory]

Honestly, I can't fathom Fallout 1/2 being better sandbox games than Fallout 3, simply because they're nothing more than isometric grids. Fallout 3, on the other hand, features a very large, carefully crafted "real" world that is very fun to explore.

You can hate on Fallout 3 if you think it makes you edgy or whatever, but at least present a good reason.

For me, a good sandbox game has little to do with the landscape. I'm not looking for a trekking simulator where I can demonstrate my path-finding skills. To say that a 3D game is overall superior only because of this is just Russian stupidity.

A good sandbox game is one that simulates well higher level human activities, which can happen just as well in an isometric grid: dynamic economy, manufacturing, resource shortage, faction growth and death, conflicts and diplomacy and so on. Fallout 3 does none of this, and that's why it's shit. With better quest design, Fallout gives a greater impression of realism, even if everything is emulated manually.

I agree that in principle, 3D games are ultimately better simulators. But that requires a lot of development time for something which has no meaningful importance. Isometric grids abstract the irrelevance of accurate terrain and are able to dedicate more time to the simulated human interactions.

 

[Droog White Smile]

I see, and Fallout 1/2 were intended to be sandbox?

Yes, they are sandbox games. Primitive and limited, but sandbox. (Although some people like VD believe that FO1 is the best sandbox RPG ever made.)

Yes, 3D>2D => better game. I understand.

Some things are just impossible in 2D, that is all. Not to mention that 2D is long obsolete.

...kid...you're too stupid...

Ah, Good Ol' RPG Codex, one of the few sites where intelligent discussions take place!

Adios, FeelTheShits, I'm not gonna argue my points with you.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Adios

Please tell me this is the start of the new drama.

I'm not gonna argue my points with you.

Oh, you had points. I see, what were they? 3D>2D so Fallout 3 is a better game?

Some things are just impossible in 2D, that is all.

No fucking shit. Is this something you thought up long?

And in case you haven't figure it out yet, I don't care why you like Fallout 3. It's you who can't accept that not everybody shares your taste and that's clearly eating at you. I mean, how can anybody not like Fallout 3 FFS????!!!

 

[Derper]

Not to mention that 2D is long obsolete.

FFS.

 

[Droog White Smile]

I simply don't understand all the blind hating on Fallout 3. You must either have extremely high standards or be a stubborn nostalgia faggot to despise it like that.

Fallout 3 is better than Morrowind and a huge leap from Oblivion. That's pretty fuckin' good for me.

Also, Silellak said it best:

Tim Cain didn't agree with my opinion! That must mean he's lying in order to protect his job.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Not to mention that 2D is long obsolete.

:evil:

btw, yesterday I was in Canterbury Commons doing the AntAgonizer vs Machinist quest, and was told to talk to them. The Machinist lives in the obvious nearby factory, but everyone knows he's there and he thinks he's defending the town, so that's ok.

Then I go search for the AntAgonizer's lair. The elder tells me they don't know where it is, but they always see her escaping to the "warrens up north". I go search up north, finding some cool places like the Grisly Diner (raiders trap you once you're inside, and regular damage traps there almost killed me during the fight), but nothing about her hideout. Frustrated with myself, I go back to the city from the other way.

Turns out her "hideout in the warrens to the north" actually means a door in a rock formation 20ft away from the guards' house. You can even see her secret exit from town, it's a pipe leading out of the rock formation.

I've just been themepark'd. It doesn't matter if it's in 2d or 3d. FO3 problems derive from quest design, not from "hurr, it's not isometric so it's shit". The franchise's charm isn't about isometric view or turn based combat (mostly because Fallout combat is shit, anyway), it's about the believable simulation of the setting.

btw, not using VATS makes things much better. No mods needed, just keeping my fingers away from the button is enough.

 

[JarlFrank]

Fallout 3 is better than Morrowind and a huge leap from Oblivion. That's pretty fuckin' good for me.

No.
It is a fun game, but no, it's not better than Morrowind. At least not lore-wise. Neither exploration-wise, actually. Also not writing-wise. Gameplay and stat system are better, but overall it's worse than Morrowind.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

Do you think you are original or something? Beth-tards have claimed this since I don't know when. LOL DIDNT HAEV TECHNOLOAGY IF THEY DID FALLUT WUD HAEV BEEN LIEK CRISIS LOL>

It's funny to see you dumbasses deny this.

Do you really think that if the Fallout dev team had today's technology they would still make it a 640x480 2D game?

Dude, Fallout was released in a fucking golden age of FPS games.

Do you know how many such games were released in 96-98?
Tons of them:
http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/x,7/shooter/1996/
http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/x,7/shooter/1997/
http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/x,7/shooter/1998/

Somehow the technology didn't stop their developers from making them and didn't stop people from liking their graphics.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Also, Silellak said it best:

I believe I said better:

Tim Cain agrees with my opinion! That must mean Fallout 3 is a great game!

You all miss (intentionally, I bet, because then it weakens your stance) the fact that he said he would've done it differently. If he likes it or not is absolutely irrelevant to anything.

I simply don't understand all the blind hating on Fallout 3. You must either have extremely high standards or be a stubborn nostalgia faggot to despise it like that.

Look kid, I at least stopped caring about Fallout 3, who likes it or who doesn't. It's you who must have your opinions confirmed by everybody.
I know you believe 3D is the new shit, but if you weren't born 15 years ago, you'd know that 3D is not anything new.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Somehow the technology didn't stop their developers from making them and didn't stop people from liking their graphics.

LIAR!!!! THE FIRST GAEM EVAR IS THE FIRST GAEM I PLAYD!!!

 

[Droog White Smile]

Look kid

So edgy!

Do I give 1/10 or 2/10? Which is it?

 

[entertainer]

props to you all for getting trolled by droog itt

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

But seriously, Droog...
How old are you?
Or if you don't want to tell, when did you get interested in computer games?