Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Nekot-The-Brave]

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Wielder of the Huegpenis

 

[Caconym]

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This woman doesn't care about her looks. She's seen shit, and is not ashamed of her scars. The lighting, the facial expression, the colours and weirdness of the thing in the background. It's more of a Dark City/Alien mood with a touch of Planescape.
She could be anything: a chaotic evil and ambitious criminal willing to commit genocide to get what she wants, a lawful neutral scavenger who's been through so much that she doesn't give a fuck, a neutral good adventurer who's learned to care and does the right thing, despite breaking rules here and there. Whatever you make of it.

These two have seen shit -- namely, Arcade Fire, Grizzly Bear and tUnE-yArDs. They also face a real struggle: they don't know whether jorts are becoming too mainstream.

I agree completely. In hindsight, I was a big fan of the original female MC concept art. She looks proper tormented and I wanna know her story.
The new MCs look like metrosexual, privileged children with beauty salon loyalty cards.

 

[Bubbles]

The Diablo 3 quote doesn't help either.

 

[Prime Junta]

Yeah the original was like pre-Raphaelites meet H.R. Giger. Wish I could say the same for the new ones.

 

[Zed]

has there been any black woman not modeled after Rihanna in recent RPGs?

 

[Mustawd]

Sorry but Rihanna is overrated. Can we finally agree on this FFS?

 

[Ellef]

Who the fuck cares or rates negress #1599 RnB pop singer?

 

[Mustawd]

Don't pretend Alicia Keys does not defy hotness in every aspect...you peasant.

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[prodigydancer]

Well, the overall physiognomy is relatively similar to the original portraits. Avatar pics traditionally focus on the face only. In a certain lighting you could argue that the new pics represent the same people as the originals.

Come on. All those new portraits are a disgrace, not just the Castoff ones. Which leaves me sad and concerned - even more than Prime Junta's reports on infodumps and handholding.

Planescape setting and PS:T both had their very distinct art styles. Portraits, concepts and backgrounds were drawn by people who understood the importance of composition, appropriate color scheme and aesthetic unity. Early TToN artwork showed much promise but what we see now is simply terrible, nauseating even. Really, how can something so bland be such an eyesore at the same time? How could Red Hook afford so much more impressive artwork for DD with less than 10% of TToN funding?

/sigh

Unless they have something really cool to show us in the coming weeks I'm lowering my expectations for TToN to maybe-slightly-above-total-trash.

 

[Daedalos]

#PortraitGate

It's el importatante !!!

 

[Prime Junta]

Okay, another update.

The game is definitely picking up after the handholdy, infodumpy beginning. There's still some clumsiness with the way you get some quests -- that vibe of the questgiver having just sat there waiting for you to solve his problems, rather than something that follows 'naturally' from the stuff that's going down in the setting -- but it's by no means universal. I'm getting genuinely intrigued about the setting, and enjoying discovering things and figuring things out.

If I stopped playing now, my verdict would be "can't really compare it to PS:T, but it's a pretty good and genuinely different cRPG in its own right." We will see if and by how much the first part of that shifts as I keep going.

Edit: argh, nasty bug. At least two of my last savegames are corrupted. Have to go back to an earlier one.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Wow, so we're playing scene teenagers in this game. One step above the pree-teens in JRPGs, I guess?

The Rothfuss comic was suspect already with those kids.

Well, I suppose tumblr and the rest of the inXile target audience will be happy.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

Okay, another update.

The game is definitely picking up after the handholdy, infodumpy beginning. There's still some clumsiness with the way you get some quests -- that vibe of the questgiver having just sat there waiting for you to solve his problems, rather than something that follows 'naturally' from the stuff that's going down in the setting -- but it's by no means universal. I'm getting genuinely intrigued about the setting, and enjoying discovering things and figuring things out.

If I stopped playing now, my verdict would be "can't really compare it to PS:T, but it's a pretty good and genuinely different cRPG in its own right." We will see if and by how much the first part of that shifts as I keep going.

Edit: argh, nasty bug. At least two of my last savegames are corrupted. Have to go back to an earlier one.

So we have Arizona and California all over again? Is a weaker opening the inXile signature?

 

[Daedalos]

I love people jumping to conclusions about the entire game after having playing 4-5 hours of some starter area.

 

[DosBuster]

No, Sagus Cliffs is much better than Arizona. For one it's a huge playing area that has tons of content within and things to explore, also, once out of the reef area it kinda just throws the whole area at you and says "have fun!".

 

[Echo Mirage]

To add my voice to this.

This image should have been the entire cornerstone of the art direct of the main characters and the overall style of the game. Right now the portraits and player characters are just terrible. The female one in particular could easily have been a nondescript npc in wasteland 2 for all I know. If it were my choice I would scrap the current models and portraits bring it back to this. She has the "I have seen things you people wouldn't even believe" look. Which is one of the themes of the setting after all.

 

[Prime Junta]

Okay... stuck, I think. Will poke around a bit more to see if there's something missing.

I know where I'm supposed to go next, but I need 600 shins to pay for transport, and I don't quite have that as I've been spending them pretty liberally. The merchants don't work in the beta so I can't sell any of my stuff either.

It could be I'm missing something and there's a way to avoid the fee, but I haven't found it yet. There was a wack teleportation device I got to work, but it didn't recognise the destination.

Also hitting dead ends with the other quests I have open. I think one of them requires access to a plot-gated area which I can't reach yet.

If there's a console command I could use to give myself another 30 shins, that would likely solve my problem...

 

[DosBuster]

According to the forums there is a very plot-specific reason they went for a simple looking character. BN referenced TNO's appearance being tied to the plot in the same way.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

What could be plot specific reasons for boring looking character?

 

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That's what Brother None said:
''As for the PC being not very distinctive compared to TNO, this was a decision made very early on by the core creative team, reflecting the character's role in the narrative much like TNO's very distinct look reflects his.''

Probably it's just an excuse :D

 

[Zed]

I love people jumping to conclusions about the entire game after having playing 4-5 hours of some starter area.

Wasteland 2 was a shitty game largely due to its first areas

 

[Prime Junta]

Hmmmm okay.

I took the airship out of Sagus Cliffs and was informed that that was that for the beta. I must've missed out on a whole bunch of stuff as I never even got to the Bloom, or a certain village that was mentioned a bunch of times. There was a quest that also ended not-so-well so I'm pretty sure I missed stuff from that as well. I did reach Tier 2 though.

A couple of the quests were rather badly bugged (still flagged as ongoing although I had completed them), which impeded my progress somewhat.

Going to give it another whirl later on to see if I can figure out what I missed the first time.

 

[Infinitron]

Pretty sure the Bloom isn't in the beta. That's a separate city.

 

[Monkeysattva]

Looking back on all the pseudo-retro-RPGs made with kickstarter, and they all suck. Divinity OS, Shadowrun, Wasteland 2, POE. What a complete and utter waste of people's time and money, and what a fucking disgrace to the designers. Numenara probably won't be any different, but here's to hoping.

 

[Prime Junta]

I won't grade this as this is a beta and it would be unfair to compare it to finished products, some of which have had multiple rounds of post-release polish by now.