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Warhammer Total War: Warhammer 2

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by Infinitron, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. Sunri Savant

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    To be honest, playing any melee oriented faction is aids
     
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  2. fizzelopeguss Arcane

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    Playing this game is aids.
     
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  3. Parabalus Arcane

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    Legendary battle difficulty pushes you extremely hard towards stacking ranged, stuff like >15 artillery/ranged armies etc. Especially with Skaven summons.
     
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  4. Lacrymas Arcane

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    If there's anything I want from WH3, it's reining in ranged superiority.
     
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  5. Jaedar Arcane Patron

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    Yeah, its poorly made imo. Afaik legendary gives like -10 melee attack/defence and -10 leadership, which is crippling for melee units (especially low tier ones), while doing basically nothing to ranged units, artillery or single entities. And ranged mass is already the best strategy even on normal, as melee will always take some damage and need to be replenished, whereas ranged ammo always resets to full.
     
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  6. Fedora Master Arcane Patron Edgy

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    Goddamn, I installed a mod that makes the AI smarter and VH is even more of a slog now because you're actually facing decently composed stacks.
     
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  7. MadMaxHellfire Arcane

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    i like my melee lizards, and i like my themed armies :|
    once i faced an all-harpy army, as soon as my first squad impacted them my whole army got chain-routed. 99% it was a bug. and i loved it.
     
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  8. Sunri Savant

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    decently composed stacks? like what post some pictures
     
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  9. Lacrymas Arcane

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    And what is the smarter AI mod?
     
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  10. underground nymph Savant Patron

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    Yeah, Skrolk full censer bearers with a couple of plague claw catapults is my favorite.
     
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  11. Twiglard Poland Stronk Patron Sad Loser

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  12. Fedora Master Arcane Patron Edgy

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    Huh, I tried looking at my mod list and couldn't find the mod anymore. That's odd.

    People say Lustria is a superbowl but holy shit the Borderlands are just as bad - Im playing Border Princes with the Southern Realms mod and I really have to commend the modders, the faction is on par with official DLC.
    But my god, the area with the latest changes... You got the humans, you got a bunch of orcs, the dwarves, the beastmen in the middle of it all, the vampire counts via Strygos, sometimes the TKs might show up and there's even a Woodelf faction.
     
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  13. vota DC Augur

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    The occupy/loot/sack/raze reminds me a lot the old Warlords series. Also the place of High Elves, but that game wasn't about warhammer.
     
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  14. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Must be due to your mods. In my experience:

    TKs always suck ass because their # of armies and # of advanced troops don't scale to higher difficulties like other factions that can pump out multiple stacks of high tier units off 2 or 3 territories.
    The Vampire Count faction is very passive and usually just dies eventually.
    The Woodelves never fight anyone
    The Humans get rolled if they fight the greenskins
    Greenskins blob out of control and Grimgor confederates everyone 60% of the time.
    Dwarves snipe Grimgor out of existence early and they confederate everyone 30% of the time.
    Eshin spams infinite stacks of shit units that overwhelm everyone 10% of the time.
     
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  15. Fedora Master Arcane Patron Edgy

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    The "Semi-Random Start Positions" mod is really neat. It lets you switch places with a faction of your CULTURE anywhere on the map at random. Meaning as VC you can appear in the Badlands or Nehekara.
     
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  16. Lacrymas Arcane

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    At which battle difficulty does this game become fun? I started a campaign as Alith Anar, but ranged units are so grotesquely overpowered they delete units by looking at them. It's such a shame, there are so many types of units but the game revolves (devolves) around ranged spam and doomstacks of one type of unit. Shame. Shame.
     
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  17. Olinser Savant

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    There isn't a battle difficulty that is particularly balanced against the AI, because the AI is dumb and none of the difficulties actually do anything about ranged units, they just buff attack/def and whatnot. If anything higher battle difficulties make the problem worse because you're forced to rely on the OP units and the shortcomings of the mediocre units are even more severe.

    Against the AI it's reasonably well balanced at Very Hard campaign difficulty, where the enemy makes armies with reasonable mixes of units and has stacks/multiple stacks that reinforce each other. I'd suggest playing on Hard battle/Very Hard campaign, it provides at least AI that puts together reasonably good armies and the buff overcomes some of its shortcomings without becoming silly.
     
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  18. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I'd concur with VH campaign and Hard battle difficulty.

    The thing with battle difficulty is that there's nothing that weakens your ranged armies really. Battle difficulty will make you deal a lot less damage in melee and take a lot more, but for ranged it just makes enemy ranged deal a bit more damage while you deal exactly the same. And sabotaging enemy ranged units so they don't shoot you tends to be pretty easy. The only effect that really matters for ranged armies shooting melee units is a fairly small leadership buff that will make melee last longer before routing.

    What does matter more is campaign difficulty, since high levels there will get the AI pumping out higher tier and bigger armies quicker. What tends to wreck ranged armies is a bunch of heavily armored infantry or multiple high tier single entity monsters.
     
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  19. MadMaxHellfire Arcane

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    why don't you play with mods instead of crying on lack of balance? i use sfo and honestly i didn't feel this disparity.
     
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  20. Parabalus Arcane

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    20 stacks make sense when particular lords buff particular units, why wouldn't you stack 20 ranged with Alith?

    This is almost unrelated to the balance issues with ranged.
     
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  21. Lacrymas Arcane

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    Alith is incidental, the ranged superiority makes the game very boring. It's not like you don't stack ranged with Tyrion as well.
     
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  22. Jaedar Arcane Patron

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    "mods will fix it" is not a legitimate response to criticism.
     
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  23. Lacrymas Arcane

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    But mods don't fix it. I'm not averse to fixing games with mods, but I don't think there is as mod that addresses this at all. Ranged is so overpowered that it actively makes the game unfun. Troy is much better and I'm playing it instead.
     
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  24. Tyrr Savant

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    It's a single player game. Just don't abuse range (the AI also will not do it) and have fun.
    I have the most fun playing with themed (= non optimal) armies. Like a ghost army with VC.
    Look at the army skills, skill your lords in different ways and build their armies to fit the skills.
     
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  25. Lacrymas Arcane

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    Even if that somehow turns out to "work" to fix my issue (spoiler alert: it doesn't), there is another problem - other Total War games do what I want and do it better. Only from the contemporary ones, Troy is excellent right out the box and Rome Remastered's new patch unlocks everything possible to mod, so they beat the bloated mess that is Warhammer any day. WH is simultaneously bursting at the seams and one-note to a fault. I really hope something is done for game 3.
     
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