Incline TotalBiscuit: Have FPS gone backwards? (answer is yes)

[MetalCraze]

Or can you say you have more playtime in an early/mid 90s shooter today than in modern shootbox

Yes. The last modern shooter I bought was Painkiller precisely because it's closer in style to earlier shooters. I've never touched battlefield and have no intention of doing so. Doom/Hexen/Heretic will never die as far as I'm concerned. I bring them out and wear them out like they were your mother every few months.

Nice hipster post bro. Very pretentious and without actually replying to my point.

Also it makes you a narrowminded retard just like TotalBiscuit for whom it's either Call of Duty with M4 and Ak47 or Doom. Other shooters don't exist.

I can't watch anything Angry Joe makes but at least he put that microsoft exec faggot in his place telling them to remove the bullshit DRM whilst every professional reviewer was busy opening wide for the penis.

Why do you care what a consoletard who buys every single crap release for XBox tells to an XBox maker?

 

[Mastermind]

Or can you say you have more playtime in an early/mid 90s shooter today than in modern shootbox

Yes. The last modern shooter I bought was Painkiller precisely because it's closer in style to earlier shooters. I've never touched battlefield and have no intention of doing so. Doom/Hexen/Heretic will never die as far as I'm concerned. I bring them out and wear them out like they were your mother every few months.

Nice hipster post bro. Very pretentious and without actually replying to my point.

Also it makes you a narrowminded retard just like TotalBiscuit for whom it's either Call of Duty with M4 and Ak47 or Doom. Other shooters don't exist.

If you play modern shooters you're a popamole faggot. If you don't you're a narrowminded retard. Go fuck yourself.

 

[MetalCraze]

So basically you do play modern shooters a lot more? Since you are trying to avoid answering the question.

And yeah you are a narrowminded retard because to you it's either modern or old. Not good or bad.

 

[DramaticPopcorn]

And yeah you are a narrowminded retard because to you it's either modern or old. Not good or bad.

Holy fuck this is some quality irony right here

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

The peak of the "pure" FPS genre was reached with HL2. After that it went all either a) full retard or b) race-mixing with other genres, partial success like Dishonored.

 

[Multidirectional]

Skyway calling anyone narrowminded is never not funny.

 

[evdk]

The peak of the "pure" FPS genre was reached with HL2. After that it went all either a) full retard or b) race-mixing with other genres, partial success like Dishonored.

HL2 was already a example of decline gathering momentum. Too much story and gimmicks, too little gunplay.

 

[boltrek]

Best FPS ever is Strife with ZDoom

 

[markec]

Sad thing is that while I love shooters I havent actually enjoyed one for a long time. I did play some good/mediocre ones in the last years but I think that last one that really enjoyed was No One Lives Forever which was released ten years ago.

 

[Carrion]

HL2 was already a example of decline gathering momentum. Too much story and gimmicks, too little gunplay.

It barely had a story at all. Stuff like Halo and Call of Duty (the first, not-totally-fucking-terrible one, at least) had already been released when HL2 came out. It felt more "late 90's" than any other shooter released that year, as the gameplay was still largely unchanged from HL1. I can't really see it as decline in that context.

Many of my most played shooters are from between the releases from HL1 and HL2, probably because that was the time when I started buying computer games. Before that I had of course played obvious classics like Doom, Duke 3D, Quake and the shareware versions of numerous other shooters, and many of those games have stood the test of time really well. After HL2, there is S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and not much else.

 

[tuluse]

The peak of the "pure" FPS genre was reached with HL2. After that it went all either a) full retard or b) race-mixing with other genres, partial success like Dishonored.

No. I like HL2, but it was no way the peak.

First, all the guns felt weak because they wanted you to use the gravity gun. Second there are several parts where you're just waiting for minutes while people talk. Third there are driving sections, which go against pure FPS right there.

One problem with this discussion is that FPS subgenres are not well defined. On one side of the coin you have fast paced anything goes games that id used to make. Then you have realistic shooters like Rainbow Six, SWAT4, Arma. Then you have slower games that aren't realistic like Halo. Then you have Call of Duty. More recently has been the cover based shooter (the only well defined sub-genre). All of these styles play completely differently from one another. So I don't think there is a "pure FPS". Also, if anything HL2 would be in the 3rd group with Halo.l

The real problem isn't even the existence of the terrible sub-genres, but that the first two disappeared. Where are the Dooms and Quakes of today? Where are the competitors to Arma?

 

[TripJack]

The peak of the "pure" FPS genre was reached with HL2

half life is overrated garbage

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Ban TripJack.

 

[TripJack]

whats wrong morgypoo

 

[Delterius]

The peak of the "pure" FPS genre was reached with HL2

half life is overrated garbage

 

[Average Manatee]

HL1 was good. HL2 is overrated garbage meh.

Gravity gun is shit. "Emotional Engagement" is shit. Story was shit (the parts that make you wait while story happens rather than observing the environment of your own free will, that is). Guns lacked weight. Vehicle segments (and the antlion summoning thing) were overdone, gimmicky, and always super-ridiculously-easy. NPCs went from incredibly helpful tools that died quickly if you didn't protect them to infinitely replaceable grunts that can win any battle that they are a part of.

The only good parts were some of the non-vehicle level design when the designers weren't asking themselves how they can force the player to use the gravity gun or PHYSICS! or other gimmicks. Unfortunately the game is so full of gimmicks that the non-gimmick pure FPS parts made up a minority of the game.

 

[Infinitron]

I can understand why RPG players would prefer HL1 over HL2 since it's basically a dungeon crawl in a wacky science lab. Actually, in retrospect, a lot of the old school shooters can be seen as serviceable "statless dungeon crawlers".

 

[vitamin]

Where are the competitors to Arma?

In general you're unfortunately right - there are no real competitors to Arma right now. But there are some good alternatives, especially for those who cannot run Arma games. Project Reality - a mod for BF2 seems to be good. Also there are still Red Orchestra games. And there are Ground Branch and Takedown in the making too. And last but not least, Infiltration mod for UT is surprisingly very good realistic shooter. I know it's not much, but still better than nothing

EDIT:
Shit, I forgot about the mother of them all... OFP. This game with some addons installed (ECP or SLX is a must) still kicks ass like no other game (in both SP and MP mode).

 

[Jarpie]

HL2 is overrated shit, I never got why it's so much liked.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

The shittiest shooters of all time though is still Quake and Doom.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Ban Morgoth

 

[Ninja Destroyer]

The shittiest shooters of all time though is still Quake and Doom.

It's Sesame Street all over again. Care to elaborate why they are bad Morgoth ?

 

[tuluse]

Ban Morgoth

 

[Volrath]

The peak of the "pure" FPS genre was reached with HL2. After that it went all either a) full retard or b) race-mixing with other genres, partial success like Dishonored.

HL(2) started the decline bro. That fat fuck Gaben is personally responsible for planting the seeds that would destroy the fps genre as we knew it. Microsoft and Activision finished the process.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

First I wanna hear why HL2 is shit, then I'll come forward why Quake/Doom is shit.