Trigger the codex with a statement.

[Darth Canoli]

You can fail and die in different ways in Disco Elysium.

On the other hand, death won't end your playthrough in any soulslike action RPG.
Party wipe is not a gameover even in such a renowned classic as Planet Escape Tournament.

So by your own standards, Disco Elysium should be more of an RPG than Dark Souls and PST.

Considering Dark Souls and PST to be alike... Now I'm triggered.

You can die in platformers and FPS, you can fail in cooking, fishing and golfing games.
It doesn't qualify them as RPG.

The character creation alone tells you Disco isn't a RPG.
Sure, they worked hard to make it look like a dumbed down one, just like 50% of the games you can find on steam but if you can't tell the difference, maybe you don't like RPG.

 

[Froila]

If Disco Elysium is an RPG, then Witcher-games are too. The converse is also true.

 

[Nortar]

Now I'm triggered.

Mission accomplished.
You also obviously have difficulties following the arguments chain, so you can have your retardo back.

 

[Cryomancer]

But there was no combat in that example of a play session.
So it was not an RPG?

Is not "combat" which determines a game. For eg, a racing game have zero combat. A soccer game have zero combat. A tetris game have zero combat. But has gameplay. Disco Elysium has no gameplay is a visual novel. Simple as that.

 

[Nortar]

But there was no combat in that example of a play session. So it was not an RPG?

Is not "combat" which determines a game. For eg, a racing game have zero combat. A soccer game have zero combat. A tetris game have zero combat. But has gameplay. Disco Elysium has no gameplay is a visual novel. Simple as that.

It's going to get circular, but what is gameplay for you then?
DE has tasks and challenges that could be won or lost depending on the character stats and the random result of a dice roll.
That is how majority of RPGs work.
How is this not a gameplay in your terms?
How is it different from a sesssion of D&D game that just happen to not have combat, but had a lot of other skill checks?

And as you said earlier, the example D&D session without combat is an RPG.
See:

Were you playing an RPG or not?

Yes.

Bro, make up your mind.
Either you agree that DE is a game, and not just a game, but an RPG.
Or D&D without combat is not an RPG either. And if D&D is not an RPG, then nothing fucking is.
Pick one.

 

[Salem]

Disco Elysium is definitely an RPG, even The Witcher series. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Cryomancer]

How is it different from a sesssion of D&D game that just happen to not have combat, but had a lot of other skill checks?

Combat is always a option. That is the difference. If I pick a random visual novel and mod it to have some rolls and checks, will it become a game?

 

[Darth Canoli]

Now I'm triggered.

Mission accomplished.
You also obviously have difficulties following the arguments chain, so you can have your retardo back.

The thing I follow perfectly is DE was made by and for people with an average intelligence.
It's an interactive novel and it accomplished its goals.

Smarter people like to crunch numbers, to have 200 different spells, an elaborate character creation and development system, tactical combat, in other words, a RPG...

 

[The Nameless One]

The news and content feedback subforum has no shilling whatsoever, and all information about soon to release AAAs is truthful and accurate.

 

[kholds]

Now I'm triggered.

Mission accomplished.
You also obviously have difficulties following the arguments chain, so you can have your retardo back.

The thing I follow perfectly is DE was made by and for people with an average intelligence.
It's an interactive novel and it accomplished its goals.

Smarter people like to crunch numbers, to have 200 different spells, an elaborate character creation and development system, tactical combat, in other words, a RPG...

Something something bellcurve something something the less nigger voodoo the game has the better

 

[Hagashager]

This conversation is actually triggering me. Splitting hairs over what is an RPG combined with personal fart sniffing on how smart everyone is is insufferable.

Touch grass, nerds.

 

[Nortar]

How is it different from a sesssion of D&D game that just happen to not have combat, but had a lot of other skill checks?

Combat is always a option. That is the difference. If I pick a random visual novel and mod it to have some rolls and checks, will it become a game?

We're not talking about random visual novels. We're talking about DE.
You said it's not an RPG, not even a game. But DE has:
1. Character creation with different stats.
2. Skill checks.
3. Numerous chances to fail and die (it was important for you for some reason).

D&D session without combat is still an RPG for you.
But Disco Elysium, which is for all intents and purposes is a D&D session without combat, is not?
You can't eat your cake and have it too.

 

[behold_a_man]

D&D session without combat is still an RPG for you.
But Disco Elysium, which is for all intents and purposes is a D&D session without combat, is not?
You can't eat your cake and have it too.

There is a slight difference between knowing a priori that there won't be any combat in a game and not encountering combat, where combat is a possibility you have to factor.

In the example session you provided, I would expect a player to be able to initiate combat - for example, there:

Then you rolled some more checks to buy supplies with a discount.

by beating up the merchant. This especially applies to Age of Decadence, where a playthrough without fighting is viable, and yet not many question its RPGness.

It would be more interesting if you'd give an example of a game where you don't know whether you will encounter anything living (or beatable) and don't know what your stats mean explicitly - an esoteric game, so to speak.

 

[Sweeper]

Disco Elysium is definitely an RPG

>No combat
>Not an RPG
Simple as.

 

[Silverfish]

For eg, a racing game have zero combat.

 

[Cryomancer]

cares so much about opinion of others

Well, since you don't care about the opinion of others, remember the woman wisdom which I shared in UA thread?

All of them have over 150k followers in Twister. Can you imagine how many people who learned about your country existence in 2022 learned about your country history by this woman wisdom?

PS : I know, this is more "trigger Reinhardt" than trigger codex. To be clear, I don't believe in everything that I share. I only believe in what is confirmed by both sides.

Disco Elysium is definitely an RPG

>No combat
>Not an RPG
Simple as.

> no gameplay
> no game
Simple as.

Disco Elysium is a visual novel. I don't consider it even a game, let alone RPG.

D&D session without combat is still an RPG for you.

Because combat is a option.

Same if I decide to do a pacifist run in FL1.

 

[Nortar]

> no gameplay
> no game
Simple as.

Disco Elysium is a visual novel. I don't consider it even a game, let alone RPG.

D&D session without combat is still an RPG for you.

Because combat is a option.

Same if I decide to do a pacifist run in FL1.

So according to you a pacifist Follaut and DE both have no combat, but the former is an all-time classic, and the other in not a game at all.
The difference (checks the notes) is optional.

If there was a combat encounter that you missed in DE, would you start saying that you've been playing an RPG all that time?
Even better, untill you finished DE and found out there is no combat, you thought you were playing an RPG, but when the game ended it turned out it was not even a game?
This is also an argument for behold_a_man

Disco Elysium could be easily changed to use D&D mechanics.
So D&D is optionally an RPG depending if there is combat or not.
Drop the options - could have been, could not have been, who gives a fuck - you played a session without combat, so you were not playing an RPG, is that your stand?

Anyway, I get it. You understand what is gameplay no more than you understand what is an RPG.

 

[behold_a_man]

So according to you a pacifist Follaut and DE both have no combat, but the former is an all-time classic, and the other in not a game at all.
The difference (checks the notes) is optional.

Is combat in that Disco game of yours optional? Can I not initiate the combat whenever I want in Fallout? Did you just claim that a difference between a game giving the player an option and not giving the player an option is (checks the notes) optional?

Disco Elysium could be easily changed to use D&D mechanics.

I'd like to see it.

If there was a combat encounter that you missed in DE, would you start saying that you've been playing an RPG all that time?
Even better, untill you finished DE and found out there is no combat, you thought you were playing an RPG, but when the game ended it turned out it was not even a game?
This is also an argument for @behold_a_man

I think pretty much every game can be considered an RPG; it's just that it's hard not to thrash some games if I judge them the way I judge RPGs. The problems you provided are barely interesting, since it's adapting tactics, party, equipment, and stats for combat and exploration that is the bread and butter of RPGs for me - so even if it is one, it's painfully shallow and most likely garbage (as it's hard to adapt to singular events).

You could've done better if you had presented a game with two possible gameplays; say, at the beginning of the game, you are given an option to play as a man or a ghost; in the first one, you can normally interact with the environment, start combat, or the like; if you play as a ghost, you can only interact with the environment indirectly, phasing through NPCs, and the challenges of the game become purely exploration-related (puzzles, mapping, etc.). Such a game may or may not be an RPG depending on one's definitions, even if its systems are exceptionally deep and intricate.

 

[Reinhardt]

I know, this is more "trigger Reinhardt" than trigger codex.

nigga, you can trigger anyone if you focus your mind on it. you managed to do it with potatos and argentinians too. and with fellow huehues.

 

[Reinhardt]

So according to you a pacifist Follaut and DE both have no combat, but the former is an all-time classic, and the other in not a game at all.

pacifist fallout is your choice, disco furries - you have no choice at all.

 

[Bibbimbop]

It automatically triggers me that anyone would think DE is a GAME let alone an RPG GAME.

DE is basically just the Communist Manifesto CYOAized with fake decision points that all railroad you toward permanent revolution of the proletariat.

 

[Cat Dude]

Disco Elysium is a point & click adventure game with stats

 

[Modron]

DE is a visual novel with walking around interludes.

 

[Maxie]

'Disco Elysium' is a dog whistle for being a retarded pinko. This software's proper name is No Truce with the Furries.

 

[Reinhardt]

'Disco Elysium' is a dog whistle for being a retarded pinko. This software's proper name is No Truce with the Furries.

by changing title they made truce tho